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Sunday, November 10, 2019

An Imperfect Perfect World


By Anna Von Reitz

Soon, an entire new world of mathematics will open up. Conventional algebra, calculus, and geometry will be largely discarded and seen as imprecise and unnecessarily complex and unwieldy. 
 
Mathematics will become much easier and more intuitive and useful as a result. People who now hate math or who don't understand math, will love it and use it with a facility they never dreamed they could possess. This will in turn expand their capacity for logical reasoning and deduction and increase traffic between the hemispheres of their brains.

They will become more whole, more integrated, and more powerful as a result, and because our emotions are triggered by our thoughts, this "quantum leap" in development and use of our brains will also mean that we no longer make so many snap judgments based on faulty information, and no longer experience wrong-headed emotions, either. 
 
Our ability to evaluate information and to discern truth will increase in direct proportion to our ability to utilize both hemispheres of our brains.
Improved thinking results in improved emotional wisdom and powers of discernment, which results in far better and more appropriate emotional responses. 
 
Right now, most people have not developed their mathematical reasoning abilities beyond a very primitive level and that effectively cripples them and leaves them subject to inappropriate and mistaken emotional responses --- much like the temper tantrums of a two year-old whose desire to touch a hot griddle is thwarted. 
 
So the advancement in mathematics and mathematical thinking that the world is set to experience is very, very good news. It is a major step forward in the advancement of mankind ---- not only in our ability to think, but to feel. 
 
Most people are aware of how music can change their emotions, but they are not so broadly aware that music is mathematics in motion, nor do they make the connection that Satan was the Seraph in charge of music of all kinds. 
 
Music as mathematics conveyed by sound is one of the most powerful forces in the Universe, and when music was thrown into dis-chord by Satan's rebellion, it had disastrous consequences for Creation as a whole. 
 
Those who have worshiped Satan are well aware of this. Especially, the Rockefeller Family has been aware of this, and as part of their service to Evil, they have tampered with the musical scale and the frequency associated with each note to make each note subtly out of tune. 
 
Our ears can barely discern the difference, but our entire nervous system is adversely impacted by this.

This subtle disruption of the notes and scales in turn literally grates against our nervous system, exciting it in some respects, dulling it down in others, and in all ways serving to disrupt it. 
 
The more you listen to music under these conditions, the more unhealthy you become. 
 
So, stealthily, these Evil Cowards have sought to undermine the health of everyone else, while preserving the Whole Notes and Whole Tones for themselves---in order to bulwark their health and vitality while they undermine the health and vitality of everyone else on the planet.

They will come to the Creator's Justice and be utterly destroyed for what they have done. 
 
This is just one of their offenses which have aroused the fury of the Primal Creator and mandated their destruction. 
 
And now, the musical scale disrupted by the Rockefeller Clan will be returned to its true mode and everything corrected, so that music brings health to the people of this planet again. 
 
As you can see, the thoughts of the True God about all of this are not the thoughts of men. The benefits being brought to you by the True God are not of a petty kind, but are sweeping, great, untold and often untellable benefits of health and empowerment and healing. 
 
As you may also notice, these changes are not coming with fanfare. They are simply happening, whether you notice them or not, whether you understand them or not, and they are all taking root and growing in an organic fashion.

The True God does not stand behind a podium and beat his chest, doesn't seek to aggrandize himself, does not need or seek your thanks as goal.

What the True God seeks is your gradual perfection, so that in the end, you will stand perfected, as he envisioned you before the concept of time began. In fact, when your Father in Heaven looks at you, he already sees you as being perfected. 
 
So, for now, we have been degraded, attacked, crippled, left ignorant, helpless, in the dark. We have been subjected to cruelty and deceit, theft, and disgusting lusts. Minions of Satan who are not worthy to tie our shoes have ruled as kings upon the Earth. 
 
All of that is coming to an end. And while the changes of the True God are being made smoothly and gradually and with kindness toward all, the end accorded to the followers of Satan is likely to be violent and abrupt, and to come as a result of their own delusional selfishness. 
 
Today, please observe the miraculous perfection that is your true inheritance. Value yourselves not as you are, but as you are meant to be, in the fullness of perfection and power. Consider the vision of you that your Father in Heaven holds of you, and know that it is even greater than you can imagine.

The War in Heaven is at an end. What remains is a "mop up" here and great strides have been made. The Interstice has been cleared. The mindless reincarnation cycle has been stopped. The Fallen have been tracked down and only a very few remain, together with their minions which you know as demons and vampires. 
 
This progress toward eradication of Evil will continue in an inexorable fashion until all resistance ends. Anyone who thinks that they will mock the True God or gainsay His Ministers or block his Commissioned Officers or evade His Law needs to think again.

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  1. Anna has a part of the correct view of things, from her perspective of God's plan of reclaiming His creation now unfolding. These following revelations are available to the ll of this eworld's inhabitants who will take the effort to pay attention to God's program, introduced to "our day" in the following words:


    1 Hearken, O ye people of my church, saith the voice of him who dwells on high, and whose eyes are upon all men; yea, verily I say: Hearken ye people from afar; and ye that are upon the islands of the sea, listen together.
    2 For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated.
    3 And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, and their secret acts shall be revealed.
    4 And the voice of warning shall be unto all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days.
    5 And they shall go forth and none shall stay them, for I the Lord have commanded them.
    6 Behold, this is mine aauthority, and the authority of my servants, and my preface unto the book of my commandments, which I have given them to publish unto you, O inhabitants of the earth.
    7 Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled.
    8 And verily I say unto you, that they who go forth, bearing these tidings unto the inhabitants of the earth, to them is power given to seal both on earth and in heaven, the unbelieving and rebellious;
    9 Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—
    10 Unto the day when the Lord shall come to recompense unto every man according to his work, and measure to every man according to the measure which he has measured to his fellow man.
    11 Wherefore the voice of the Lord is unto the ends of the earth, that all that will hear may hear:
    12 Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come, for the Lord is nigh;
    13 And the aanger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth.
    14 And the aarm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the day cometh that they who will not chear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people;
    15 For they have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant;
    16 They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall.

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  2. 17 Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments;
    18 And also gave commandments to others, that they should proclaim these things unto the world; and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—
    19 The weak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man should not counsel his fellow man, neither trust in the arm of flesh—
    20 But that every man might speak in the name of God the Lord, even the Savior of the world;
    21 That faith also might increase in the earth;
    22 That mine everlasting covenant might be established;
    23 That the fullness of my gospel might be proclaimed by the weak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before kings and rulers.
    24 Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding.
    25 And inasmuch as they erred it might be made known;
    26 And inasmuch as they sought wisdom they might be instructed;
    27 And inasmuch as they sinned they might be chastened, that they might repent;
    28 And inasmuch as they were humble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive knowledge from time to time.

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  3. 29 And after having received the record of the Nephites, yea, even my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., might have power to translate through the mercy of God, by the power of God, the Book of Mormon.
    30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually—
    31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;
    32 Nevertheless, he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven;
    33 And he that repents not, from him shall be taken even the light which he has received; for my Spirit shall not always strive with man, saith the Lord of Hosts.
    34 And again, verily I say unto you, O inhabitants of the earth: I the Lord am willing to make these things known unto all flesh;
    35 For I am no respecter of persons, and will that all men shall know that the day speedily cometh; the hour is not yet, but is nigh at hand, when peace shall be taken from the earth, and the devil shall have power over his own dominion.
    36 And also the Lord shall have power over his saints, and shall reign in their midst, and shall come down in judgment upon Idumea, or the world.
    37 Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.
    38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
    39 For behold, and lo, the Lord is God, and the Spirit beareth record, and the record is true, and the truth abideth forever and ever. Amen.

    These revelations are available to the entire world, and will be received by those who are humbly seeking to know the truth. The prideful and judgemental, will not receive them, due to minds darkened by the adversaries' confusions wrought upon mankind.

    LDS.org. See Doctrine and Covenants Sections 1-138, revelations from God to a modern prophet revealing so much light from heaven the humble reader will be unable to receive all the light because its information is so far reaching and so revealing of the nature and program of God, it cannot be taken in to the mind and heart until pondered and contemplated and reflected upon again and again. These truths opened up from God by revealing Himself and His mysteries to His children are truly awesome. May the reader take care in how you respond. Your creator is speaking to we who inhabit the world today, warning and instructing and preparing us for His Second Coming, and what that means for us.

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    1. @joel, silly rabbit.
      Thank you for expressing that your heart is in the right place, but let us not be fooled by the interpretations of a fallen member seeking selfish glory.
      I mean no dis-respect but all you are showing is your own indoctrination into a false religious cult.
      Thank you but SERIOUSLY NO THANKS.
      We thank you for your intended inspiration, it would mean more to all of us if you could speak through your own heart and in your own words, not through some dusty old book you covet... my opinion.
      joel, I wish you the best in your long and personal journey of re-education.

      Documented American Assemble.

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    2. We don't comprehend why bother at all ever with alleged branches of Christianity>>>> Just go for the real thing >>>> No Protestant'ism, nor Mormon'ism >>>> All JEW CO-OPed to destroy true Christianity as its most immediate mission >>> Drop all the archons, drop all the reverals, the multi-wifery, the replacement program propaganda.
      Why oh why give relevance to an imitation when the real thing is right there. Like eating fruit-flavored chewys when ya can pick the fruit itself right off the tree.
      Christian comes from Christ. Nobody else. Just Christ. Go for the real deal & in beneficial frequency.

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  4. 1929 or so. There are marmonicas still around tuned to 432 hz for an A note. 440 is off just a little and not too mysteriously no clear reason exists for such change.

    A stringed harp like instrument that is not freted or has notes made by shortening strings sounds incredible when tuned to the universal tuning. Way more harmonies and sounds than when it is tuned to 440. A few bands tune down to the 432 but then new harmonicas wont work..like mechanics tools another big mess. 15 different kinds of screws and fasteners replacing the older simple system and a need for 5 times as many tools..

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    1. "but then new harmonicas wont work." As a former working musician, I can assure you that is a good thing.

      This joke applies to harmonicas too: What's the difference between an onion and a banjo? Nobody cries when you cut up a banjo.

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  5. Mormanism is a false religion invented by a false prophet for his own reasons.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10570c.htm

    And for a look at a real Catholic Missionary worthy of your consideration.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04752a.htm


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    1. Paul, The world has nick-named members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as "Mormons" and has called "Mormonism" their faith. This may have happened in part because the prophet who compiled the many scriptural and historical texts by the different prophets of early American times found in the Book of Mormon was the prophet who abridged all these records into one book named “The Book of Mormon”.

      The prophet Mormon compiled for example these texts into one readable timeline and continuous thread of history, and each of these names is the name of the prophet whose story is told in the Book of Mormon: Lehi, Nephi 1, Nephi 2, Jacob, Enos, Jarom, Omni, Words of Mormon, Mosiah, Alma, Helaman, Nephi 3, Nephi 4, Book of Mormon, Moroni.

      The time period of these records covers 600 B.C to 400 AD. It tells of Christ's appearance after His resurrection in Nephi 3, and the church he established on the American continent.

      Joseph Smith first named the Church another name, but the Lord Himself corrected him and named His restored church "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", the name it has born ever since. Jesus Christ appears in the Book of Mormon hundreds of times, and his gospel is made plainer and clearer there than any other scripture existing in our world.

      I hope this helps your understanding of a much maligned and much abused but sacred subject. Satan has railed at the establishment of Christ's church from the very beginning, mostly through the uninformed prejudices of people who have not taken the time to read the Book of Mormon themselves.

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    2. Correction: the name "Jesus Christ" appears in the Book of Mormon hundreds of times....

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    3. Yours is a new and false religion and if you want to promote it start your own blog. This is not the place to promote it.

      There are hundreds if not thousands of so called religions that have no path to salvation, but only one that Christ ordained to be His one true and saving Church.

      It's not one founded by any "prophet" called Joseph Smith, or Mormon. Again, if you want to promote it go start your own blog.

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  6. Considering all the hypothetical, mathematical, political and religious division and discord mentioned above, is it any wonder that every year more US military veterans commit suicide stateside (average 6.5K) than died in combat in Iraq in the first 10 years of US military occupation.

    Why? Because first there is no flag big enough to cover and hide the shame of killing innocent women and children. Couple that with the fact the US military veterans return home, and they are labelled and targeted as ‘domestic terrorists’ by DHS and local Law enforcement.

    And then they realize that the constitution that they swore a lifetime oath to support and defend is never read and being completely ignored by the US militarized police state AKA local law enforcement on the streets of America. And then also ignored by the prosecutors and judges in the 3,143 district/county courts across America who use law enforcement officers as the front man for a scam of epic proportions.

    And what is a US military veteran to do but ask: “WHY?” And… “Is this what I was fighting for?" And is it any wonder why they have a hard time finding anyone stateside that they can EVEN TALK TO when all of us seem to want to argue about sports, politics and religion? Hmmm?

    From my standpoint, it appears that this is the primary cause of the high rate of suicide among US military veterans in America today.

    Now here is the solution: We start by arresting the lawyers and judges for treason and fraud and send them to Guantanamo for trial!
    Then choose US military veterans for jury duty.
    Then require law enforcement to go to school and study the constitution. If they can't pass the test: YOU'RE FIRED!

    US military veterans 'in their heart and mind' went into service for we the people, and like the majority of Americans today, they had no idea that the international banking and industrial military complex even existed. Show some love people, and lets all honor and work together to take better care of our mother earth and our wounded warriors. Life is not fair. While some are born to feast, others spend their lives in the dark, begging for scraps. Everything you see fits together in a delicate balance. While others search for what they can take, the true sovereign searches for what he can give. You must take your place in the circle of life. Genesis 1:26-2:25 is the indenture of the Divine Trust. You and I have been appointed as the beneficiary to honor and use all the heavenly and earthly resources in service of our creator and our neighbors.

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    1. Very well said Marcus

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    2. Marcus..you hit the nail on the head...!!
      Once we get rid of attorneys everything should go back to normal...everyone that doesnt give up there BAR LICENCE need to be sent to either Great Britain or GITMO...!!

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  7. My friends in search of freedom in this world we find ourselves in, which world is dominated by Satanic deception, lies, rumor mongers, nay-sayers, idol worshipers, false front organizations, abusers of privilege, station and trust, all who are workers of iniquity in various degrees and many realms. Our day is a day the Lord calls “the fullness of times”. We are witnessing the ripening to a “fullness” the iniquity of fallen mankind. These conditions are parallel to the conditions before the flood, and prior to each of the destructions of Jerusalem by the enemies of Israel, when Israel was led by mis-led kings to worship false idols, perform whoredoms, and live licensciously. God allowed His judgment to fall upon his chosen people Israel at these times. Israel was ripened in iniquity. We see our own people, once humble followers of the Word of God, ripening in iniquity as they turn away from God’s Word.

    But we are also witnessing the dispensation, from God, in our day - innumerable discoveries and understandings of the order of the Universe, by God allowing His light flowing from His presence, the power of revelation of knowledge being obtained by mankind. This allows mankind to rise to the greatest populated state of existence ever known on earth.

    Be humble, be approachable by the Holy Spirit, be not judgmental, for as ye judge so shall ye be judged.

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  8. The father of lies has got an almost full control of this world, it is for now, his domain to rule and to deceive as he will, often through darkened prejudices and insanely mindless behaviors of others who parrot things they have only heard by rumor, who have not learned for themselves by direct experience what is the Word of God. The blind leading the blind, falling in to the ditch of prejudice, peer led pressure, politically correct dogmas, etc., allows the powers of darkness to have free reign.

    The scripture I shared contains your invitation ...directly from He who is our God, even as Anna's article affirms, whose eye and hand are over us all, and whose work is to save His children who will hear His voice, and that work is ongoing like at no other time in our own day.

    Those words I shared are from Jesus Christ, given in his mercy to we foolish, fallen children of our Heavenly Father, to offer us to understand that His majestic purposes will prevail, that we may learn them, and be blessed to align with His purposes.

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  9. I invite you to open your minds, and recognize your/our pathetic limitations, imperfections, foolhardy behavior, egotistic stubbornness. Then humbly, prayerfully read the scriptures I have recommended to you. Your exposure to Gods words, powerful as a two edged sword will definitely cut through ignorance. Your mind will be enlightened by reading His Words, your life will become more blessed, your knowledge of Gods workings more perfect, illumination of your mind to Gods purposes will enlarge to the extent that you take these things in to your heart, and apply them to your life. But - God will not force Himself or His Word upon anyone, as He has truly given us our free will. With the use we put our free will to, we will be judged by Gods law of restoration. Our choices, decisions and our works in mortality will be restored to us in perfect justice, in the life beyond our temporary mortal life as we return to the eternal worlds governed perfectly by God, where is found the justice of a perfect God.

    May you use your judgment and free will wisely by your own works toward salvation, which is only possible through the Atonement and ongoing loving purposes of Jesus Christ our Lord. That reality is made very plain to any reader who will read the book I have recommended.

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  10. Some say it’s a fallen work. It’s a delusion. It’s false. It cannot have performed or been done as claimed. All these and a thousand other excuses will prevent those prejudiced minds from actually reading - to gather the evidence of Gods work - by reading His Words for themselves. That can be self-damnation, because such people dam or block themselves from what could have been, to bring the light and knowledge of Gods works in to their mind. Such minds must remain in darkness, and their own free will to avoid reading God’s Word brought their downfall upon themselves. Because we live in the fullness of times the excuse of not having opportunity does not apply today. Still, self imposed darkness can remain to eternity. Don’t let that self destruction come upon your great potential future and glorious inheritance from God your Spiritual Father.

    You can be adopted into the same covenant God made with Abraham Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). But you must free your mind from prejudice, and your heart from whatever keeps you from reading God’s revealed Word. God’s love, mercy and birthright are available to all the repentant who obey His commandments and come unto Him in the manner Christ exemplified, in humility. It starts by casting off prejudice, doubt, procrastination and darkness from your mind and reading His Word, actually searching for His truth.

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  11. If people don't read, study, understand and apply the truth and wisdom in the constitution, no wonder the book the constitution is based upon which is the greatest book of history and law on planet earth is so controversial. Now someone in these comments is suggesting in order to find God's will, we need to go to another book written by someone who was leading his followers across the Rocky Mountains in the wintertime? Folks, Jesus said in Luke 17:20-21 that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Do you get it? TRUST YOUR HEART! And what does that mean? Have no other Gods 'before' you. It is no wonder that Moses was so frustrated trying to lead the children of Israel out of slavery to debt.

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  12. Ok, been listening to Nick Fuentes & he thinks dissing the pope is anti-Catholic Christian. He doesn't know whats meant, as we know it. Don't know what the chat comment was about really referencing, but it got blocked w negative comment from Fuentes. So... he's on one good trajectory, but missing wholly on another one ... unfortunately a most important one. thanks & stay sane

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  13. For the record Marcus, the trek from Nauvoo, Illinois across the plains did happen, or started, in the cold and ice and snow and wind of winter. The prophet Joseph Smith had been murdered by a mob of madmen, along with his brother Hyrum. Both were godly men devoted to helping people come unto God. The murderous mob of about 150 masked and painted men were driven by hatred and mindless mob mentality, which is a danger to all civilization whenever it occurs.

    My paternal grandfather had come from Canada as a convert to the restored gospel. He was taken prisoner, kidnapped, beaten and held for 40 days while being deprived of food and clothing. What was his offense? Mobs preying on innocent women and children circling the Latter day saint communities were capturing, torturing and killing anyone they could, to try to force them to deny their faith, to denounce their new found faith in a restored fulness of the ordinances and principles of conduct revealed by God in the "latter days". Local people then reviled against the very thought that God was actually alive, and had appeared in person, to a prophet whom He had called to perform a strange work of restoration in the latter days. They organized into mobs to burn homes, rape women, murder innocent people of the new faith.

    Who do you suppose inspired this devilish behavior? God? or the Adversary? The adversary is always jealous of anything that takes from his imagined insanely selfish power, and he stirs the hearts of men with all manner of deceits and rumors, of which we have seen several expressed in this same blog thread. And which to a large extent Anna's efforts are trying to change.

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  14. Yes the saints were driven in the winter, across the icy Mississippi river to "winter quarters" where all these folks were temporarily encamped in tents and earthen dugouts in the banks of the hills, where thousands of driven saints prepared for their journey outside the United States where they had not only NOT received protection from government, but where governor Boggs of Illinois had issued an extermination ORDER to kill the followers of the new faith, as the official policy of that State.

    My grandfather died along the Mississippi River helping the saints flee, from exposure to the elements and from the injuries he suffered while held captive by mobs of mindless men preying upon the saints. All my paternal and maternal ancestors on my fathers side crossed the plains as children walking on foot pushing handcarts containing their meager belongings and came to the mountains in the Utah Territory to find a home where they could live without persecution from mobs who were driven by mindless prejudice.

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  15. Satan's power is still very evident today in shaping the un-receptive attitudes we see on this blog. Have any of you readers bothered to read anything from the book I have recommended? If not, how can you possibly speak with any authority, about any of this, much less the book itself? Or about the faith? Do not continue to allow the hateful nature of a Satanic maddened mind, a being who is the sworn enemy of God, to guide influence and darken your thoughts. Do you not remember that 1/3 of the hosts of heaven rebelled with him, and were cast out of our Fathers presence, and were denied the blessing to obtain mortal bodies? These same spirits, trained for millenia in their deceptions, freely enter the minds and imaginations of all who have not put on themselves the whole Armor of God, and whose minds, thoughts and behaviors are influenced by the incredible power of Satan to bring about horrors of all kinds upon the children of men!

    Read for yourselves what God has to say about his glorious plans for those of His children who will come unto Him in humility and repentance, and exercise their faith in His power to heal, to save, to forgive, to teach, to inspire, to elevate, to exalt. Be not doubters, but believers in God's Word and in His love for His children. Would any of you, if asked for a loaf of bread from his child, give him a stone? Of course not, you would feed, nurture, shelter and care for him. God awaits your coming to Him through His Word, even Jesus Christ. Read His Word. Search, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. Of this I testify, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

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  16. Fuentes is someone that Owen Benjamine is dissing all over the place

    In fact earlier today I was listening to Owen and he blocked me from commenting on his stream

    They are telling everyone to go out and buy them some land
    He and this other guy are bragging about how they have acres and are growing food, raising goats, etc etc etc

    I was posting about how they burning California down and UN agenda 21 and how under their plans no one will own private land and that they didn't own it now better check MERS and their titles
    Also told them that if they paying for that land in military script might want to rethink that too

    Anyway he blocked me from commenting

    Be wary of both, IMO

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