By Anna Von Reitz
All the Federal entities are operating as
commercial corporations no different than Exxon or IBM or GE.
Your situation as a Retiree whether a military
Retiree or a Civil Service Retiree is NO DIFFERENT than someone who worked for
Exxon in Saudi Arabia, vested in the Exxon pension program, and then returned
home to America.
Does Exxon still owe you every bit of your
retirement?
Yes.
Are you obligated to punch their time clock or wear
their uniform?
No.
Once you are back in the States do you have to obey
the Laws of Saudi Arabia anymore?
No.
So what @#$% are you %$@$%@ talking about? [Scaring
Seniors about their retirement?]
This is NOT rocket science, and no, we did not just
"forget" or overlook the "possible consequences" to federal retirees of
returning home to the actual States of the Union.
What's the point of "fighting for freedom" if you
can never enjoy it yourself, and are condemned forever to some kind of foreign
enslavement Boot Camp?
Wake up!
When you are "Retired" you ARE retired and any
presumption otherwise is your own fault for failure to notify your former
federal employers that you have left their foreign jurisdiction and returned
home.
I am sick and tired of all this fear-mongering and
suggestions that I haven't thought this through and don't know what I am talking
about and threatening seniors with the loss of payments they earned from these
commercial corporations.
If you stay a "US Citizen" you will receive
"benefits"--- as in welfare benefits. And those are just "gifts" to you from the
corporations, which may decide to go bankrupt--- and bilk you all out of every
penny and service you are owed.
They have no contractual obligation to provide
"benefits".
They do however have a Priority obligation to pay
pensions and earned income credits and VA Services to American Military
Retirees.
So beat your feet home and claim your actual
birthright status as Americans--- and stop this fear-mongering and stupidity.
There is absolutely no safety and no benefit in claiming any form of US
Citizenship when you can claim to be an owner of the actual unincorporated
United States.
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Exactly. I am trying to address the same here in Canada. CPP, Canada Pension Plan is/was and employer/employee 100% contributed pension plan but vested in by the Canadian Government. So it can be claimed beginning at age 60 with better payouts if one waits to 65. Unfortunately in the early years it was never indexed and so the payouts are small in comparison. However, the government also provided for Old Age Security long before CPP. At age 65, all citizens are entitled based upon combined income at retirement. That combination determines the maximum benefit. The calculation is not easily defined and everyone awaits after applying to find out what that amount will be. The higher 'other' pension amounts are, the lesser the OAS will be.
ReplyDeleteIf by expatriating as a "Canadian Corp Citizen" that OAS goes away, there will be much poverty. So I am trying to learn what the government obligations are since we are dealing with a corporation already in bankruptcy.
Dan, you are Canadian I take it? How did you respond to my question last week regarding social security disability in America? Are you knowledgeable in regards to this system and it's workings? Thanks
DeleteBorges, I am sharing Anna's information. The contract with the agency for social security is still a contract. You pay a share towards a payout at a later date. They are obligated to honour that contract. It is all business. They may say it is a benefit, but as long as you are a contributor it is not a benefit. Our Canadian gov is trying to say our CPP is a benefit and that couldn't be farther from the truth. It is totally supported by employer/employee contributions. The fact they are managing it is no different than a mutual fund. They are being paid to manage it. Just because they are saying it is a benefit doesn't mean it is true.
DeleteDoes the previously made suggestion (for former military personnel) to submit "DD Form 2168" include any support on filling out this form? ......... I have filled out most all of the form and have left a few spaces blank for further input.
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Haven't posted for a while but good on you Anna !! People need to stop being chicken of what MIGHT happen. At the end of the day what are they going to do when you say to them" Hey why have you stopped my payments now that I've changed my status?" As if it ever was payments. What are you thinking they will say? "Oh you are an American state national now, so we have no obligation to pay you" Man I can't imagine that type of response coming from them.
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