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Saturday, March 9, 2019

Open Challenge


By Anna Von Reitz

Many years ago, in North Carolina, I was sitting at a table in front of an open window looking out onto a covered veranda and gardens beyond.  My companion was a retired Judge from South Carolina, who was in his nineties and still sharp as a tack.  He drank "coffee" made from dried dandelion roots.

It may strike people as odd, but the Civil War wasn't really so long ago. My Grandfather was born during the Civil War, and this man, old enough to have been my Grandfather, was born twenty-five years after it ended.  For him as a child growing up, the wounds and events were still fresh.  His Grandparents lived through it.  One of his Grandfathers died in it.  His Father remembered the Carpetbagger Era that followed. 

Our conversation that day and for several days following was meandering and thoughtful as he paged through his memories, often pausing to pick and choose his words as well as his topics.  He was a careful, methodical, logical man with a shrewd view of the world well-honed from fifty years on the bench.

At one point, he stopped and shot me a glance and said, "You don't like lawyers much, do you?"  And then he tilted back his head and looked at the ceiling and said, "I can't much blame you, but remember--- it's the sins you commit that you aren't even aware of that damn you.  Pray to be forgiven for them."

We ranged far and wide and deep through the history of the South after the Civil War, and also, unavoidably, through the history of jurisprudence in the South from the Civil War Era through the 1970's.  He wouldn't allow a tape recorder so all I have are notes I took down.

Among the other things he told me was the fact that the actual States never allowed Dual Citizenship, even though the States of States did. 

I underlined that in my notes, because he said it with great emphasis and intensity and roused himself to lean forward as he said it.  There's no doubt that he meant for me to catch that bit of information and keep it. 

The reason, he said, was to forestall conflict of interest. No man can serve two Masters.  So the land law, which is based on the Bible, dictates that if we serve the land, we have to give up any other political affiliation and stand as State Citizens, not Federal Citizens, aka, United States Citizens or Citizens of the United States.  

Almost fifty years have passed and I have been down many, many rabbit holes since then.  I have never once in all my researches nor in the research of others who have probed these issues, encountered any contrary evidence.

No actual State ever allowed Dual Citizenship.

Nothing that man told me has ever proven to be anything but 100% correct and true.  Nothing in my own research contradicts him.  Nothing in any other research about this topic that I know of contradicts him.    

So I am more than willing to stand here and say--- if you have proof that any actual land jurisdiction State in this country ever allowed Dual Citizenship (allowing Federal Citizens to act as State Citizens)--- bring it now, and I will eat all the crow you want. 

I'll put a big banner on my website saying, "I Was Wrong About This!" and I will write an article explaining why I was wrong and how many ways I was wrong.  But I don't believe I am wrong about this one. 

And I do believe it matters, because if you assemble oranges you get a bushel of oranges, and if you assemble apples you get a bushel of apples.

I am not going to waste my time or anyone else's doing things that can't be done or that don't need to be done. 

If some foreign corporation wants to come in here and call itself a "State" and try to foist that off onto the gullible public, they can do so on their own dime and our team will continue to expose them for what they are.

No need for a bunch of well-meaning Americans to get sidetracked by something like that.

So let's drop the dime and get to the Finish Line.  We have all these people claiming that you can be a Federal Citizen aka United States Citizen or Citizen of the United States and at the same time act as a State Citizen, and I am saying no actual land jurisdiction State ever allowed that.

Since we are looking for "negative evidence" and they made the claim, it's up to them to find a valid exception: at least one pre-Civil War land jurisdiction State that allowed Dual Citizenship.

I certainly don't know of one, but maybe the people bad-mouthing me do. Maybe that old judge from South Carolina was senile and didn't really know what he was talking about. 

But I wouldn't bet my life, my land, or my Bill of Rights on that, if I were you.

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31 comments:

  1. UCADIA...YOU ARE NOW NOTICED, ON AND FOR THE RECORD: CEASE AND DESIST WITH YOUR CYBER-STOCKING ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND TRESPASS. Paul has already blocked you and you know you are blocked. If you continue in your actions, you can now be charged with stocking!

    following is the Montana stalking law, and all STATE OF STATES, are bound to enforce all laws of the UNITED STATES, UPON U.S. CITIZENS. In other words...Mr. U.S. CITIZEN...you are not exempt for Montana laws being enforced against you. There's some U.S. LAW for you!

    Montana 45-5-220. Stalking -- exemption -- penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of stalking if the person purposely or knowingly causes another person substantial emotional distress or reasonable apprehension of bodily injury or death by repeatedly:
    (a) following the stalked person; or
    (b) harassing, threatening, or intimidating the stalked person, in person or by mail, electronic communication, as defined in 45-8-213, or any other action, device, or method.
    (2) This section does not apply to a constitutionally protected activity.
    (3) For the first offense, a person convicted of stalking shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 1 year or fined an amount not to exceed $1,000, or both. For a second or subsequent offense or for a first offense against a victim who was under the protection of a restraining order directed at the offender, the offender shall be imprisoned in the state prison for a term not to exceed 5 years or fined an amount not to exceed $10,000, or both. A person convicted of stalking may be sentenced to pay all medical, counseling, and other costs incurred by or on behalf of the victim as a result of the offense.
    (4) Upon presentation of credible evidence of violation of this section, an order may be granted, as set forth in Title 40, chapter 15, restraining a person from engaging in the activity described in subsection (1).
    (5) For the purpose of determining the number of convictions under this section, "conviction" means:
    (a) a conviction, as defined in 45-2-101, in this state;
    (b) a conviction for a violation of a statute similar to this section in another state; or
    (c) a forfeiture of bail or collateral deposited to secure the defendant's appearance in court in this state or another state for a violation of a statute similar to this section, which forfeiture has not been vacated.
    (6) Attempts by the accused person to contact or follow the stalked person after the accused person has been given actual notice that the stalked person does not want to be contacted or followed constitutes prima facie evidence that the accused person purposely or knowingly followed, harassed, threatened, or intimidated the stalked person.

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    1. FEDERAL STALKING LAW: 18 USCS § 2261A. Stalking. (2013)

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    2. Why waste your time on the coward ? He wont have a cup of coffee with me...my favorite flavor " shut the hell up ".

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    3. C Johnson....you know what the cops will tell you....thats "civil" mamm...!! Because they put all their resources looking for drug crimes, or easier prey....!!

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  2. Dual citizens had a big hand in 9-11 and they control the State Department also,they had a big hand in killing 3 thousand Americans on 9-11.

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  3. I agree with you response Patriot58...

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  4. Steven and Patriot, I respectfully disagree. Why? Common Law requirements: putting others on notice of wrong doings and wrongs suffered. Remember, SILENCE IS CONSENT [maxim of law]. So, because I am all about law and fulfilling it...as I am not lawless, I put him on notice and refused to remain silent in his actions of lawlessness. That is what we Americans have done for too long and I refuse to do it anymore!

    Patriot58, I just drank some bullet proof coffee and shared it with you, how do you like the favor of it? Sorry, I didn't have any cream and SUGAR to offer you at this moment. Anyway, have a great day!

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  5. CURRENT FIVE THREATS TO THE REPUBLIC...

    #5 –The ability of the people to act in concert as employers, employees, shareholders, corporate consumers and more would be eliminated by excluding all “corporations” (businesses) from constitutional protections.

    #4 –The growing population of “illegal aliens” in the USA (aka undocumented citizens) would allow foreigners who are not legal US citizens to overthrow all legal US citizens in the election booth. Americans will become a powerless minority in their own country.We will be a sanctuary nation without borders or any need for borders.

    #3 –The nation is being run by unelected and unaccountable oligarchs that move the country further and further left in case after case, through their court rulings and opinions that were never intended to have any such power. They not only rule over the people, but over Congress and the White House as well. They are the “legal” rubber stamp on the global left movement to destroy our Constitutional Republic by every means possible.

    #2 –The elimination of the Electoral College is the final nail in the coffin of the Republic, our Constitution and all natural Rights in America. From that moment forward, the USA will live under mob rule known as the popular vote. No more than 15 major cities, all of them leftist strongholds today, would control all federal elections by mere popular vote. New York state is controlled by New York city, just as all of California is controlled by Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose and San Diego.

    #1 –The Convention of States not only opens the Constitution and Bill of Right to total final destruction in a convention which must be controlled by Congress. It has already opened the door for State Legislatures to work together to overthrow the Constitution and Bill of Rights via a growing list of State legislative actions aimed at overruling the constitutional powers of all three branches of the Federal government.We have the corrupt deaf, dumb and blind leading the easily distracted deaf, dumb and blind here.The net result of these five threats acting in concert is TREASON and the Death of our Republic. Mob rule at the state level through popular vote,backed by leftist courts and seated by illegal aliens, spells the end of the United States of America as it has existed since 1787.

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    1. Steven....you forgot one thing.....their is no constitution...we are using the UCC....our new constitution.....contract law.....!!
      Who would argue constitutional law in any of our courts and expect to win...??

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  6. stated perfectly Steven thank you . It sums the largest problem we face today

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  7. Steven and Mark..yes and no...
    1.) as Americans you can not vote. So you have taxation without representation.
    2.) there are no American electors as is required by law. Electors now are political party representatives and are not American electors as defined in law.
    3.) illegal aliens are not a threat to the U.S. they are a threat to America, as the U.S. NON-ELECTED officials are allowing AMERICA to be overrun
    4.) legal aliens are an issue to America, because there exists no immigration law for America. There exists only immigration laws for the U.S. The U.S. is receiving citizens but Americans are dying off!Soon if this trend continues...there will be only a memory of Americans and America. Its already being wiped from the minds of Americans by teaching by the govt, churches and schools.
    5.) the greatest danger to America is the people are still asleep to their own PRIVATE RIGHTS and have no idea how to make use of them within the matrix, nor can they help to re-establish true law, until they fully wake up
    Thank you Patriots for thinking and seeing, but learn the truth..because when you learn the truth you will be free. Have a great day guys!

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    1. C Johnson....that isn t just happening here, it's happening in every country, because the "elites" do not want any Nationalism (the true history of a country) known to anyone anymore.....!! Nationalism means Patriotism, and you can see how the courts treat them...!! They want people to stop learning history...period...!!
      And you can plainly see from these new mellinials, it is working....!!

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    2. James the more I read your comments, the more I realize why you lose in court. You are so mind-controlled, its incredible and you absolutely refuse to learn anything that could benefit you.
      James truly none are so blind as those WHO REFUSE to see nor so deaf as those WHO REFUSE to hear. Truth is all around you, yet you continue to live from your memories of the system, instead of doing what it takes to EXIT THE SYSTEM.
      I truly don't need your explanation of what has happened in the past, I have a pretty good handle on that, don't you think? I don't need you to tell me what's happening to day because I already am experiencing the effects of what I am doing. And I know what is going to happen in the future, because I have seen my own errors of the past and am now correcting them for my future.
      James do you know the definition of insanity [per Einstein]: "doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different".
      With that James, I can only tell you it is no surprise, you continue to get the same results, you continue to spout on this forum.
      James, I really do wish it was different for you, but c'est la vie!

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  8. Thanks for your input C Johnson and Mark Kiser. We have to have each others back...the battle continues...

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  9. In So. California, Richard McDonald taught about "state" Citizenship and how it differs from "federal" citizens.... and he taught people how to defend their status in the courts, with success. He was one of our first mentors and we learned a lot from him. Here are a couple of links with information:

    https://forums.national-assembly.net/viewtopic.php?t=623 .... and:

    http://www.freedomforallseasons.org/NaturalLawAndRightsReports/Richard%20McDonald's%20Seminar%20On%20state%20Citizenship.htm

    :)

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  10. Dual citizenship, in a sense, was conferred on Americans by Section 1 of the 14th Amendment which dates from July 9, 1868. It essentially caused a reversal of priority making federal citizenship primary and state citizenship secondary, whereas before state citizenship was always paramount. Federal citizenship did not become undesirable until FDR issued Proclamation 2040 on March 9, 1933, making enemies of all U.S. Citizens. That this only referred to the artificial 'person' is a fact still lost on most Americans who unwittingly act a surety for that legal person which is not actually them. See: https://scannedretina.com/2014/02/06/proclamation-2040-by-1939-all-american-common-law-civil-process-will-be-gone/ for a description of that unfortunate state of affairs.

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  11. Please use a handle that is not "unknown" or "anonymous" see our policy at the top of the page in blue. The least you could do is to put your name on the first line of your comment so I can see your unique handle. There are too many people using unknown or anonymous and it makes this moderation job much more difficult.

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  12. I speak as a lunatic. _Even if_ there were evidence that dual citizenship was ever acceptable, we would demand that to be overturned. Because we're not lunatics. :)

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  13. About the dual citizenship thing and the 14th amendment. within the ORGANIC Constitution there is no 14th amendment. it does not exist.

    So in what Constitution does the 14th amendment exist? the one congress created right? why did congress create the inorganic constitution? for the city of DC..ITS NATION. Then within that Constitution they added the 14th amendment, because IT needed to rule ITS PERSONS born in DC. It used that amendment to make ITS PERSONS equal in rights to the PEOPLE OF THE SEVERAL STATES, even though DC is not part of the several States, as it has ITS own land mass.
    Then they of course wanted to expand their jurisdiction into the several States to the People of the several States, because they had no jurisdiction over the People at that time. So they devised a plan, they would make use of the INTERSTATE COMMERCE CLAUSE and issue every American the U.S. CITIZENSHIP IDENTITY for their purposes of ruling INTERSTATE COMMERCE. Of course they did not wait to ask us, if we were wanting to operate in INTERSTATE COMMERCE, no...they went ahead and gave us the benefits of it, even though the majority of us, never wanted it and don't use it, the entirety of our lives. They never told us this was the plan to take our country, our resources, our lives, our wealth. They were simply being good guys, taking care of us, giving us the benefits of being citizens of DC for interstate commerce purposes without us even having to ask them for it. What good guys...right? BS
    That is how all this happened! But, we the people still have our organic constitution however mothballed it is at this moment.
    It is up to us to take it out and dust it off and begin to live pursuant to it again.
    Now, going back to the CLASS VS. U.S. DECISION. Congress did all of this U.S. CITIZEN crappola, by ITS.....WAIT FOR it.... LEGISLATIVE ACTS! WHAT???? NOW, think with me a moment...what did the supreme court rule in the CLASS VS. U.S. decision? If legislative acts or rules conflict with Constitutional mandates, legislative acts and rules are null and void. That is the same ruling in Miranda vs. Arizona. That is the same ruling in many cases! Why, does the supreme court continue to keep ruling the same thing? Because Congress has no power at all over the PEOPLE OF THE SEVERAL STATES WHO HAVE RIGHTS SECURED AND PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION. They can write legislation all dat gum day long to rule their U.S. CITIZENS/PERSONS...so what???? But, when it comes to Americans of the several States, PRIVATE RIGHTS ARE IN PLAY. This is why ROD CLASS WON! 14th amendment citizens are subjects of the United States, but the PEOPLE OF THE SEVERAL STATES are the sovereigns!Congress by their legislative acts cannot take away our rights. That was what the supreme court said...once again...when they ruled this time for CLASS! They know the truth, do you?Do you really know it...do you really get it? Oh I hope so!

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    1. How many people reading this comment have ever even read the Constitutions organic/inorganic or state? If you haven't shame on you! How can you stand on something when you don't even know what it is you are trying to stand on? There is not a one of the People on this forum, who should not have read and given thought to that very short document. It does not give you any rights at all...but what it does do is secures, protects and defends your rights. It is your barrier between you and the big bad wolf. You really want to learn what this is all about, read the Constitutions! Know truth for yourself, then you will know what you need in order to protect and defend your PRIVATE RIGHTS as men and women!

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    2. c.j.maybe this is the way for me to get out of this 'contract' i inherited from usda/fsa on this crp acreage ! 'contract' against my rights to control my own property !!

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    3. what contract? have you seen a contract? whose the parties to the contract? are those parties men and/or women? whose claiming injury as breach of that contract? have you been paid just compensation? who are you a man or a person? see I don't know you or your PRIVATE situation, so I have absolutely no legal advise for you at all. But, aren't you curious how they got jurisdiction over you? How did a corporate get the authority and power of jurisdiction over you as a man? I'm confused! BE WARNED, if you attempt to answer that last question, here in this PUBLIC forum, I will never respond to you again! And if you do not know why I gave you that last warning than you do not comprehend anything I have states ever on these forums. And most certainly you would not comprehend the distinction between a man and a person and the 4th and 5th amendment and what I told freeman1 about blah, blah, blah!

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    4. C Johnson....do you realize what Rod Class went through in order to get that decision....!! Years of fighting the courts and years of studying LAW, both theirs and ours...!!
      I can't find anyone who even wants to read at all anymore...No one I know , especially married , working, and has kids, wants anything to do with reading books....any books at all...as far as they are concerned, they lived or are living their lives and could care less about something called the constitution...!!

      I once fought a traffic ticket when I started learning law, just to test that what I was studying was true....of course that lead me to a jury trail (which I highly recommend just for the experiance, as I did everything, including picking a jury...its the only way you guys will ever understand courtroom proceedure...they don't give a "shit" about law). Anyway, I asked the jury only one question...." Can anyone tell me what the first 10 amendments to the constitution is called..Keep in mind, this jury consisted of people ranging from their early 20's all the way into their 70's...!!
      You would have thought that I asked them about quantum physics and "string theory"...!! Blank faces on everyone of them....they couldn't even answer one simple question about the constitution. I turned to the judge as if to say...you call this a jury of my "peers"....the judge just looked down as if to say, we come to my world...!!
      But I learned half of what I know today, just by fighting a couple of cases...no one on this forum seems to have first hand knowledge of courtroom proceedure or even fought a simple traffic ticket, but they all want answers to complicated legal questions....One thing I learned in a hurry is just because I understood how law works in their courts didn't mean I knew one thing about proceedure, which is all they care about...!! I know now that the best thing to do is just stay out of their courts, but even that takes proceedure...!!
      Everyone needs to put at least their foot in the water before entering the pool...!!

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  14. Have you ever asked yourself why in the organic Constitution there is no bill of rights?
    Think about the implications and ramifications of why no bill of rights was necessary, in the first Constitution! Then let those answers get embedded in your mind!

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  15. C johnson...it wasn't needed, but just to make sure that everyone else did, they did indeed add the "Bill of Rights", unalienable rights, not "Civil Rights", because most attorneys didn't even understand the constitution....!! Normal everyday people do not have the slightest clue that rights only come from our creator and not a piece of paper....but everyone to this day is still arguing about it....We would have been 10x better off if they never wrote it....then people would know for sure that our govt was getting progressively worse by the day which would have exposed them years ago....!!
    They really only needed one, and only one amendment....that nothing or no one has the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to control money except "the people", not banks...!!

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    1. James...think! The organic constitution did not have a bill of rights! when were the bill of rights added...later by AMENDMENTS! thus we have 1st amendment, 2 amendment...yadda yadda.
      Here is why the bill of rights was not in the organic constitution...its actually very simple....THE PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS UN-A-LIEN-ABLE! Get it! The People were exempt from actions by The United States of America. The PEOPLE were and are the SOVEREIGNS to the entire thing!
      FRAUD...PEOPLE LED TO BELIEVE THEIR RIGHTS ARE NOT UN-A-LIEN-ABLE. That's the fraud...or better said...does not exist in fact: in law.
      Issue...where the heck is the ORGANIC CONSTITUTION? As ANNA HAS SAID..so many times...Mothballed. Why? the People are missing in action! The People have been ruled to 'BE DEAD'! GET THAT...they ruled the PEOPLE.....'DEAD'! 💀
      Is that ruling...fact? well, I guess it is unless the PEOPLE STAND UP AND CLAIM OTHERWISE...because AGAIN, I SAY...SILENCE IS CONSENT! Hello are you listening and seeing!
      You want to argue semantics, I am trying to tell you what is and how to change it. The only thing you want to do is argue what happened. Dat gum it, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, but that doesn't change it!
      So, if you know what happened...get off your caboose or your self appointed soap box, that you like to stand on and change your own personal situation and stop your complaining. BE A MAN, AS YOUR WERE CREATED BY YOUR CREATOR AND STOP BEING A PERSON, with all the issues you like to spout on this forum!
      By the way, I have nothing against you or your rabblings, but this really gets under my skin:

      You have a ton of complaints...and you don't mind trashing this forum with them! My question is when the heck are you going to stop complaining and whining and do something about those complaints? This is why I have issues with you...you are just dead weight!I swear, sometimes, I want to kick your HIGH HORSE in the backside, so it will take off running and buck you off! Maybe that shaking would do you some good and the rest of us, too!
      FYI...I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR 15 MINUTES DEBATING SHOULD I POST THIS RESPONSE OR NOT...GUESS I DID!

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  16. This it seems, is a good post for many to take notes and James, just say thank you!

    Funny

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    1. cube, fact is this is real to me. It is so real. I see lives like Carol's being destroyed, not because she was complaining, but because she stood up to fight the beast. I wrote my comment to James, then I had to write my comment to her and the comparisons in the 2 people are so vastly distinctly different.
      In my spirit, I know the truth, and I am so attempting to convey it, to help prevent the destruction of lives that is occurring in our country.
      The true fighters in this situation are having to give it all to stand and we just don't have the energy to drag someone who is dragging their feet in the ground and using our efforts as a dumping ground.
      Anna gets this all the time and is blasted from all types of sources because she is speaking the truth. How, do I know its the truth, because I've done the same research and I personally have put it to the test and won. But, in my trials, I lost, too! But, I learned what not to do and those things became my victories. The very victories, I now share with others, when I share truth with them.
      But, after writing to Carol last night, I truly physically wanted to vomit, because I see no way for her out of the clutches of the situation the LEGAL OCTOPUS has taken control of, with its monstrous tentacles. So, I went to yt and watched the last ABEL DANGER LIVESTREAM, and there is Field McConnell, praying for all of us fighters in this spiritual battle against evil in high places. He said, we are all feeling the effects of the battle, but we must continue our fight. It reminded me of the scripture that says, the enemy in the last days would overwhelm us and the other scripture that says we can do all things through Christ that strengthens us.
      I am feeling the overwhelming but I also know I must look to my source of strength, the rock on which I stand.
      This battle has come home to us all, I just happen to be one of the ones who see it and recognize it.
      I have absolutely nothing against James, I only wish, he would wake up and see his complaining is nauseating. He seems like a bright guy, but yet his constant crappola, yesterday, just got the best of me.
      So in all honestly today, I am limping and bruised, so I am taking the next few days away from this, by going into my secret place of the most high. I am in need of some of those refreshing waters.
      My prayer, is that Carol, will be alright!
      With that Cube, I haven't finished my docs yet, but close, but getting them to you, will be later than I told you. Have a great day, talk to you soon!

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  17. I think mostly the dual citizens like over 50 percent in the state department are from one so called country really another state-of-state across the ocean from North America. No dual Mexicans, no dual Norwegians, no dual Russians, no dual Somalians but a huge amount of dual unmentionable by name citizens.
    Kinda like having a dual wife or husband loyal to you but another as well and could cause conflicts.

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  18. The Bill of Rights does not apply to the people of the several states of the union. Read the holding in Barron vs. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243. The Informer covered this some years ago. (He has passed on from this life.) If your state constitution has reserved rights of its members and you have agreed to citizenship in that state, you can claim those. But the Bill of Rights was for "We the People of the United States," not the people of the several states.

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