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Tuesday, August 28, 2018

News for All U.S. Vets -----


By Anna Von Reitz

You have not been discharged from military service. A DD 214 is not what it appears to be and is not sufficient to do the job.

To get completely out and away and to receive the money and credit you are actually owed requires you to "discharge yourself"---- like discharging yourself from the hospital.

The form needed to do this is the DD 2168 which is readily available on the internet as an interactive form you can fill out and then print off and sign.

The instructions about where to send it are with the online form and includes Coast Guard.

For those of you who served in more than one branch of the service, it is necessary to add a brief "itinerary" of service, for example, "I was inducted into the Coast Guard on May 3, 1989 at Long Beach, California and served four years prior to discharge on June 5, 1993. I then joined the U.S. Marine Corps......."

This blow-by-blow is necessary because the bureaucrats need to sequentially process the paperwork releasing you from each branch of service.

The latest information I have from the military is that you should send in DD 2168's to each branch you served in and include a copy of your service itinerary with each one, so that they can coordinate your final discharge.

Upon final discharge you are free to return to private life and to your birthright political status and to receive all service-related perks that you are owed.

Obviously, until you are fully, finally, and absolutely released from all presumptions and obligations of military service, you cannot return to your natural and original political status as an American state national, so for all of those who have followed my instructions to recoup your birthright standing, this is one more hoop for those who have served in the US military.

Letter to Accompany DD 2168

Dear Sirs: 

My intention in submitting this "application" is to allow you to access my service record and satisfy yourselves that I am properly and completely discharged from any other, further, or additional claim or service obligation referenced by Public Law 95-202 and the associated Executive Order.  

It is my wish and intention that I shall be recognized now and forevermore as fully, completely, and permanently discharged from U.S. military service and severed from the accompanying obligations of federal citizenship.  

I have returned to my natural birthright political status and removed my permanent domicile to the land and soil of my birth state. 

Please confirm my election to be removed from any further claim of federal connection effective with my date of discharge as shown on the DD 214 associated with my name.   

Sincerely yours, 

by:  Your First Middle Last
c/o Your Address



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63 comments:

  1. Every time you turn around it's always something else with b.s.

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    1. You are b.s. whoever what ever rock you called slug!

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    2. He or she or it was supposed to be blocked...I will gix tnis.

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    3. Unknown r u voting for Killary again in 2020 if she isn't in jail yet?

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  2. You mean they retain a claim over us? Oh like DMV,BANK ACC,SS,14 ammendment U.S. citizen , state property privileged to use thair land ,federal claim on our production.

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    1. it means you receive a Certificate of Service proving you actually served, if the proof is needed possible for applying for benefits, and proving you were officially discharged from service. But obviously if you were not then you are in dereliction of duty and/or still do benefits as an active serviceman ???

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  3. It would appear that the lack of the DD2168 is the reason why vets are treated so poorly. They are still classified somewhere as active duty I suppose.

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  4. My husbands retirement and disability is the only money we have available right now. We are afraid that if he files that form that the payments may stop.

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    1. As a 'Beneficiary', to 'whatever', no one can touch what you are heir to. Answer: Your hubby, the human being, (as with anyone)was never getting (anything) the pensions now was he? 'HUBBY' is getting them. And, 'Hubby', needs to make sure he is the what...? *Starts with a 'B'. ;)

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  5. Anna.. could you be a little more specific for us disabled veterans?

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  6. Well, the payments are earned, owed by law. VA has job adds and a lot of other stuff for US Citizens. So if a relative of yours fought in the Revolutionary War they were not a U.S. Citizen since that did not start until 1860s. Signing up I got a lot of fine print contracts enough it would take a day or two two to read and you are offered of course to read it if you want to get hung up and wait, pay your own hotel etc. so most just sign and keep on movin not knowing what was just agreed to. My experience is you may have to send the forms a few times or make calls. Even while on active duty it took years sometimes to find a competant voice on the other end that knew what you were asking and who would take care of it often right away. It is a good idea to get it straignt that you are an American National and not listed as forecloseable collateral on the United States debt unconstitutional "money" system. The nationals own the country and constitute govenments. U.S. Citizens are subjects and the law in several cases points out that a citizen is the same as a subject. Hmmm. Check out how to write a proper letter to the Queen that is for obedient, loyal monarch loving subjects and see if you really wanna be one or be an American National with no monarch and by declaration a government that is of, by for to and from the people who by law are the monarchs here in The United States of America not King George and the empires United States service company.

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  7. Is a hotlink available for "the DD 2168 ... on the internet as an interactive form ..."?
    Thanks!
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    1. Are you that lazy? Read above & work for your freedom... I googled it and yes it is there to do your homework, thank you!

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    2. I'd like to have Anna, Paul or another trustworthy soul provide
      a hotlink for "the DD 2168 ... on the internet as an interactive form ...". I saw several sites in my search results that included at least a mention of this form and that fact underscored my wanting "the one" that Anna might have had in mind. (I prefer to avoid new sites and all the unexpected pop-ups, etc.)

      Speaking of mind - you, "Jasun", do not know me and you have no idea of all the hours that I spend researching Law and related subjects to verify material that other people present and that I typically prefer to have links for when I post at one of my several blogs. And as far as working "for my freedom" I have about thirty-eight years doing just that. How many years do you have my friend? Have a nice day!
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    4. chef https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/records_request/dd_2168.pdf
      you can also google DD-2168

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  8. Thk You Judge Anna & Paul, Just It's Time To Hear The Truth, & Help Our Men & Women For There Services .

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  9. Pardon me but it looks like you must be free from military obligations BEFORE FILING for your birthright political status.

    (1) Upon final discharge you are free to return to private life and to your birthright political status and to receive all service-related perks that you are owed.

    (2) Obviously, until you are fully, finally, and absolutely released from all presumptions and obligations of military service, you cannot return to your natural and original political status as an American state national, so for all of those who have followed my instructions to recoup your birthright standing, this is one more hoop for those who have served in the US military.

    (3) It is my wish and intention that I shall be recognized now and forevermore as fully, completely, and permanently discharged from U.S. military service and severed from the accompanying obligations of federal citizenship.

    (4) I have returned to my natural birthright political status and removed my permanent domicile to the land and soil of my birth state.

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    1. Odddog yes you are right no job in Gov. at all, plus you cannot live on Federal propriety. Then one can do there paperwork forwards to be landed.

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    2. Olddog sorry I caught that, I need glasses. Also l am on a IPhone 6+. Peace!

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    3. Yes, Olddog, that's exactly what Anna is saying.

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  10. This form is to submit personal verification that the individual served in the armed forces under "penalties" of perjury. that means being tried twice for same crime! Like if a man served in the Merchant Marines for example or WWll verterans. I have found no other usage for this form. So if you have proof that this form is for what you claim it to be please provide it. Making such presumptions and directing people to follow thru at their own risk without actual proof is like putting your hands in a cobra's nest cause someone said it wasn't there.

    AUTHORITY: Public Law 95-202, Sec. 401, and EO 9397.
    PRINCIPAL PURPOSE(S): To assist the Secretaries of the Armed Forces in determining if applicant was member of a group which has been found to have performed active military service, and, after an affirmative finding as to the applicant, to assist the Secretary of an Armed Force in issuing an appropriate certificate of service.

    ROUTINE USE(S): The information may be released to the civilian employer or contractual group or the Department of Homeland Security (for Coast Guard applicants)
    to support the member's claim. To the Department of Veterans Affairs to provide substantiation for benefit eligibility. To the Department of Justice in pending or potential
    litigation to which the record is pertinent.

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    1. LOL SO... you cut and paste the information directly from the application and clearly don't comprehend what it is saying ???
      It assists in the issue of a "certificate of service" which then may be released for certain circumstances where the information is required, kinda like a Birth Certificate.
      LOL so verifying your service information under PofP is some how being tried twice for a crime???

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    2. yet you still following ??? HAHAHA !!!!!

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  11. FOLLOW THE FACTS IGNORE THE UNKNOWN! It is a pitiful pet of perversion and it knows no better!
    ARGUEING WITH UNKNOWN STUPIDITY WILL ONLY MAKE ONE AS STUPID AS THIS UNKNOWN VICTEM OF MASS PEDOPHILLIA!

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  12. We all know that we hear all the time that So and So received an ''Honorable Discharge from the Army'' or was dishonorably discharged. That to me sounds like a legitimate Discharge, since discharge means Discharge.

    I remember when employers would ask to see ones Discharge papers for certain employment. That was ONLY to see if they were Honorable or Dishonorable, sort of as a form of reference to their background check.

    As far as I know, IF the 214 wasn't a full discharge (?) it would only be leaving a door open to Recall a veteran back to Duty. I would think if one is DISABLED, that is very unlikely to happen.

    More playing with words now? Discharge now does not mean Discharge?

    Im not military, but I know that I was born as a National in a particular month on the 6th; my BC is not registered by the rats until about the middle of the following month, on the 15th. After that, nobody has asked me if I wanted to change my Status, and since I havent changed it, if somebody else did, then as far as I'm concerned I am still a National and all else is null and void.

    Give it all the big Stroke of the Pen and put an end to it. What is done can be undone the same way.

    I am also curious if Mr. James Belcher has ever had a face to face meeting with President Trump? Have you ever thought of doing that, and if not, why not?

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  13. Anna, wanted to come back to the blog and say thank you so much. I completed your editable forms. Used them to get a private, unincorporated and non-taxable EIN. Used them to change the status of SS#. I combined your forms with the SS-4, with W8-BEN, with my own very explicit instructs to the IRS what I wanted them to do. They did exactly what I told them, word for word. Here was the surprise: I received the EIN, exactly like I had instructed, but with explicit instructions from them, to me. They gave me an office, to which, when I want to communicate or make changes, that is the only office for me to contact and not to use the number issued, but to provide the name, exactly like it is on the EIN document received. Everything is to be in writing, they will not answer questions over the phone, as it is private. So, I decided to try calling one of the other offices. no records of me are found within the IRS data base. PRIVATE-THE EIN IS PRIVATE AND THE SS# IS PRIVATE. Neither was found in the data base! Success! I was not going to apply for SS benefits, but did and made very explicit instructions to them, SS BENEFITS-ISSUED and I was given a special contact address and was told to only contact that particular address. I did some research online about those addresses and was thoroughly amazed, in a good way, what I found out about those addresses. Let me just say, private service centers exist!
    My status with the U.S. govt, has been changed! Now, I am working on the state. They are not co-operating as easily, but I am cracking that armor and I can see the cracks. This entire mess, is like peeling back an onion, a layer at a time.
    What I have learned. SS#'s can be public or private. Driver's license can be public or private. Your blogs caused me to think about these things and the true applications of law and equity. Keep doing exactly what you are doing...to those of us who truly want to live free...in our natural...(with spiritual lives in order)...your writings are a God send! Gotta go now, dealing with the STATE!
    Ps. UNKNOWN...YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR BACKSIDE FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND!

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    1. Thanks for sharing this, C. Johnson. Very important point!

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    2. Chris, its just like passports for Nationals...the U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT has set up special passport centers. The agents there understand the Nationals and have been very helpful to obtain the passports. But, an appointment is necessary and you must go to those centers to apply in person. Check out this from SEC. OF STATE website. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/passports/special-passport-acceptance-fairs.html
      Do study, on IRS website, about non-residents. Its all on their website. It's all there, but none of us have known where to look. ps. you are welcome!

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    3. By the way Chris....the goof ball UNKNOWN, needs to tell the U.S, Sec. of State and the I.R.S. this is all horse...! He needs to demand they take this stuff off their websites! LOL!
      HERE'S THE IRS LINK: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/nonresident-aliens
      Oh and read this 28 U.S. Code § 3002 - Definitions. Pay particular attention to section 8, the definition of U.S. for purposes of U.S. tax courts. I guess UNKNOWN can call that horse..., too! Notice how Congress, in this act, made a distinction between regular U.S. courts and tax courts? Congress agrees with Anna!

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    4. Posted for Anna:

      Dear C. Johnson, would love to talk to you directly and find out more about your communications with both IRS and SSA. It is indeed possible to get everything straightened out, but so few people have been determined and asked for the service that over time it has gotten harder to make the right connections. Getting the right addresses is often key to success. Would you be willing to do a little research and share what you find out for other readers who are not as adept at tracking these things down?


      Anna Maria

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    5. C. Johnson Anna would like to have your email address so she can discuss some of this with you.

      Please email her at avannavon@gmail.com

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    6. paul did you get the emails?

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  14. This is no news. This is horseshit.

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    1. Ucadia, nobody here gives a flying crap what you think. I have a father who died on active duty, a nephew who was poisoned by vaccines in gulf war, a best friend who died because of cancer after being sprayed with agent orange, my brother in law died 6 years ago 100% disabled from agent orange, a nephew whose liver and other organs are destroyed because of the cleaning chemicals used to clean jet fighters and I have another nephew suffering from PTSD, from being in Irag and AFGHANISTAN. I have a grand nephew ready to go to S. Africa and another one on a sub God only knows where. All U.S. citizens and all suffered or have died because of it. So, take your BS and shove it! I am sick of losing people I love, because of the U.S. elites and their wars. So I really don't give a rip what you think, you treasonous.....!

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    2. FYI....I have a friend whose name is on the wall! You are nothing more than a punk!A treasonous punk!

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    3. ucadia by the way you prejudice bigot....when does patriotism have a skin color? I am an American and I am proud of it. If you don't like it...get off the land of America and go back to the U.S. that's DC by the way!

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    4. BE easy "disabled vet" could mean shrapnel to the brain, or they misdiagnosed his limp wrist with an actual injury???
      UCADIA my ass what a rip-off artist, more like Ecclesia Fraud-ation.

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  15. has anyone seen this?(only concerns Californians.
    https://www.newcaliforniastate.com/documents

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    1. people everywhere are waking up, internationally and are sick of the abuse of power and they are realizing the people are the power. get find...awesome stuff!

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  16. I actually have my discharge document framed. I think this is just another load of horse shit to get you to file some crap in "their" system. Just my opinion.

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    1. John just this one comment. As a military vet, your LEGAL status was classified as U.S.CITIZEN. If you choose to remain a U.S. CITIZEN, you choose. But, legally there is a major difference between a U.S. CITIZEN and a NATIONAL[or better said: American State vs. U.S. STATE]. In the legal system there is a distinction between those states and the people of those states. Anna's form is not for them, its for you, to reclaim your American State BIRTHRIGHT status. You are either An American or a U.S.CITIZEN, but according to acts of Congress and the Constitution, you are not both! The inferior status is U.S. CITIZEN and comes with all the loss of rights and the fines, penalties and fees. Now, just an FYI: thank you for your service to America and the People of America. Isn't it time, you left the U.S. and come home to the LAND, you served to protect?

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  17. Real, living men & women DO NOT have first, middle & last names
    persons, legal fictions, fictions in law, individuals,idiots, wards of the court, corporations, et al. do.

    COME OUT OF THE BEAST.

    Living sentient souls have given & family names.

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  18. Katman you are both right and wrong. You are right in the fact we are living souls with family names. But, there are times we want to use commerce, too. This is why understanding the 3 identities is so important. living soul, natural person and the (YECH) legal person. (FYI all these are legal, including your living soul description.) The use of the natural person identity is the most important. It is the persona grata for the living soul (in other words the natural flesh and blood body of the living soul). The persona grata is the natural man and woman who can choose to operate in commerce or not. The persona grate is the ONLY TRUE AND LIVING, REPRESENTATIVE 'ON EARTH' of the LIVING SOUL. The living soul, has all rights unalienable given by the creator. the persona grate has all rights secured by the CONSTITUTION. The legal person has only human/civil rights given by and allowed by the govt. the human/civil rights are govt controlled and can be govt taken away by legislative acts. they are the benefit/privileges of having govt control. But, the unalienable rights of the living soul are without the govt at all. the secured rights of the persona grata are subject to the laws of mankind, but the supreme law over these rights, is the bill of rights. these rights can not be taken by legislative acts, rules or regulations. they can only be taken by the persona grata violating the constitution or bill of rights of someone else. Perona grata can waive rights of own freewill. persona grata has to understand how not to waive rights. Everything I now post is both lawful and legal. Become familiar with your three identities and keep them all on the private, non-public side.

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    1. Katman, let me add this: a RECORD (call it a file) of you, is in the filing cabinets of the (alleged) powers that be. On that file is a name. The NAME is in all capitals and sometimes, backwards and sometimes with initials. That file, with that name was created by birth certificate or cert. of live birth. Whenever a name change occurs, the name on that file gets changed. (like when women gets married). That 'LEGAL' name change, changes that 'LEGAL FILE NAME'. It does not change the family name to which you referred. It changed the way, the system recognizes you LEGALLY on its file (record). The name on that file is not the persona grata name. The name on that file (record) is the LEGAL NAME, for the fictious LEGAL PERSON. Through you life, that record/file is change...if you go to jail..if you get married...if you go into the military....if you get divorced...if you have children...if your children die....when you get a job....whatever!The problem is the name on that file is only a representative of you the natural persona grata, its not the real you: the living soul within the persona grata. So, who changes the record/file? You do, the persona grata. How do you change it? By your signature on LEGAL FORMS (contracts). That file is not PRIVATE, it is PUBLIC. Unless you take advantage of the PRIVACY ACT OF 1974 and give explicit instructions that file/record be made private. Most people think just because that record/file is in govt hands its private and so they never do anything to CHANGE THE RECORD. The only files/records that are PUBLIC are corporate individuals (legal person). Private individuals, non-corporate/unincorporated (personal grata) are not keep in the PUBLIC RECORDS. But, the question is have you by the hand of your persona grata, re-established your nationality and true citizenship and changed the record/file? FYI universally (heaven and earth-living soul) and internationally (on earth-natural persona grata individual) has the right to choose nationality and citizenship for their LEGAL PERSON (file/record). By universal and international law, no man or woman can be without a country citizenship. So citizenship is conferred by birth. However, at the age of majority, nationality and citizenship can be willingly chosen and the record changed. The U.S. CITIZEN/PERSON is a corporate entity file/record. As a corporate entity it has no right to privacy or rights of the persona grata, so what are you going to do about changing the record, on and for the record (file)? FYI: names: John Doe,family name. John Jake Doe, persona grate/natural individual. JOHN JAKE DOE, the file/record name..the PUBLIC RECORD that anyone in govt or whoever govt determines can see and review, without your private permission. All records/files are public, until made private!This is why I love Anna's forms, they help to change the record, on and for the record.

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    2. FYI, once you change the record....you can no longer call govt about anything. You can write them. But, the records are private and they will not discuss them over the phone. No record exists and no records will be discussed. The public record is moved to private records and must be accessed IN WRITING ONLY by the private persona grata, owner of the record/file or by pursuant to FOIA. You as the persona grata from that time forward, delegate who and who cannot access your file/record, but its all in writing.

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    3. C.Johnson, This a rhetorical question. "By universal and international law, no man or woman can be without a country citizenship." Isn't this just the rulers telling the ruled that we cannot allow you to be stateless and under God's law?

      Or to put it another way, We cannot allow you to be above the concept of Man's law. We cannot allow you to be the director of government. We cannot recognize the living soul as the creator of government to which we must be subservient, so we created the concept of "natural person" so that you can participate in our commercial system and be subservient to US when you do!

      I tend to view the body as an expression of the soul, not a representative of same. But that doesn't fit the scheme. To undue it would require the abolition of Admiralty/maritime all together. Now, wouldn't that be a hoot!

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    4. Rog, man since time began, has been trying to have dominion over man. yes to everything you said. But, when I post, its regarding the thinking of the leaders of the system. Do they think like you and me? NO! That is why this is all foreign to us. To normal thinking men and women, it is hard to get our minds around the crap they think up to entrap us. Rog, in your comment you are thinking like a normal man/woman/child would think. But, my friend, none of this is normal. It's foreign, strange, unconscionable, fraudulent, maniacal. But, remember they rule and reign (right now) and they will do anything to keep their power. They sit around thinking of ways to keep us all slaves.
      See for us, we see we are the body and some of us maybe a soul. They see them as separate and have given a name to the body, without the soul. That name is natural and persona grata. That body is the vessel, in which the living soul, (who can leave the Earth without the body)is only making use of while on the land (earth). In their thinking and in laws that vessel is not the living soul. It is only a REPRESENTATION of something. That something it represents is the living soul. Now, the living soul can not be seen by men or women. Only the natural body can be seen. Thus in their concoctions, the living soul is impossible to legislate, regulate or rule. It has unalienable rights given by its creator and you can not put a living soul in jail or murder a living soul. remember a living soul continues to live without a body, so you can't murder or kill it, so when they murder and kill they have caused no harm or injury to 'A LIVING SOUL'.a LS who can make it do anything? You can't see it, touch it, whatever! But, they can take the natural body into captivity by legislation, regulation and rules, since the natural body is only an EARTH (land) vessel. They did that by the bill of rights. You see the bill of rights was added to the Constitution. Before that happened, total freedom existed on the land of America. The bill of rights did not free mankind, it restricted mankind. That bill of rights is for the NATURAL INDIVDUAL (non-man, non-woman, non-child), his rights are secured by the Constitution. Then they went a step further; they created and forced through the 14th amendment U.S. CITIZEN/SLAVE. His rights are human/civil and are delegated to him by the govt. They give him rights, they take them away whenever they want to. That citizen is their slave/puppet. These are the 3 identities, to be fully aware of and understand how to use them. Neither you nor I created this insanity, they did, right now, they are holding the cards...until the people wake up. it's their game for the time being. This body vessel thing goes all the way back to EGYPT and the Pharaohs and is teaching of the catholic church.

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    5. ps ROG...this is what we are truly dealing with
      https://www.realmofhistory.com/2018/01/16/15-ancient-egyptian-gods-goddesses-facts/

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    6. C., the point of the question was to nudge those caught in the never ending quest for the "silver bullet" they believe will be found in some statute somewhere or for assuming the proper "capacity" toward understanding the true nature of the parties we encounter when dealing with government and who we are in relation to them.

      I applaud your work with EIN and SSN status, but those things are still within the framework of positive law. And it appears, from what you have accomplished, that they have thrown us a bone; given us a way to move from the kids table to the adult table. But it is still their table! Yes, having a private EIN and SSN may permit you to work and have a bank account etc. and not be liable for their taxes but you are still jumping through their hoops, albeit a separate set of hoops.

      RB Young once told me his goal was to rise above all of that and to operate as a Man, made in God's image. He had managed to convince the local Feds in kalispell that the only thing he needed to cross the border into and out of Canada was a Bible in his hand. And he did it, too.

      Private person, natural person are both persons. They are both legal constructs. The entire concept of "person" is in conflict with natural law. In legal land I may be a Man operating in the capacity of the person of Dentist which, in effect, separates me from the person known as a Dentist. In Natural law, I am a Man who knows something about dentistry and helps others out of their dental misery. There is no "person" or other there, only a Man with particular knowledge. Do you see the difference?

      I often hear, in response to this line of thinking, that THEY don't recognize a Man made in God's image; that THEY will use capacity against you, so watch out! Truth is, they not only recognize a Man, but they are scared shitless of him and will use any trick in the book to drag him into their world.

      I support Anna's work because, on one level she is attacking the problem at the root, the proper relationship of the parties. If that work is successful it will restore the court system to its proper function. But to play their games in court, or in dealing with government in general, only prolongs the game they are playing. If karl lentz has anything right, it is that statutory law does not apply to a Man (except in cases of injury or harm, and Batman has proven that even in cases of injury or harm the statutes are commercial and if one knows what they are doing one can get away with murder).

      The point of this diatribe is that we must look forward. We must change our minds about how we deal with the hired help. Sure, at this point, trying to convince your "employer" that he is not only in violation of the IRC but engaged in criminal activity by forcing you to adhere to what he believes is "law" is a tough roe to hoe. But we only prolong the game by playing it. Cont.

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    7. You say they are holding the cards. No, we are holding the cards and we have a straight flush only we don't recognize what we are holding. Just peruse Title 18 USC. It is chock full of "our side" of the law. It is replete with penalties for wrong doers in government. Using it may be necessary at first to alert these people that we are on to their game, but that is an act of war and we must be judicial in our use of it. The goal is peace, not war.

      I have been at this a long time and I know of all the things you bring up. I have spent years trying to sort them out, going down rabbit holes and asking stupid questions and proposing silly "remedies." All in an effort to understand the machinations of what these people are doing. I don't have a 500 IQ or a gozillion terabit hard drive wired to my brain necessary to fully understand what the devil has made. I only have the knowledge that what they have made is a counterfeit, fake, a labyrinth that once entered into, is nearly impossible to find your way out.

      I don't know why some men seek power over others. Seems to me they are applying for the job of janitor. Once you gain control of the world you still have to paint it every ten years or so or the siding begins to rot. I do know that they gained power because we trusted them. It's time for the householder to return and put the maid back into her place. And that must be done in our minds first. Once you understand the proper relationship between the parties, then the work of correcting it can be done. THAT part is what we are dealing with now. It may be as simple as saying NO! Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!

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    8. Rog, for most of us, we know the problem, and we know a lot about the remedies as well. But the big snag is, Enforcement.

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  19. Rog, I mostly agree with everything you said, but you are looking to the masses to throw everything out. That thought is unrealistic. Here's why, the majority of the masses want people to govern them. You are talking about total freedom from govt and I'm very good with that, but is it possible and is it realistic to think you will find others to agree? probably not. That's the issue. If you choose to live completely without govt, as a man, you can so choose. But, the wall you are going to run into is this....the system....is still going to through its tentacles around you somewhere, somehow. You are talking idealistically. Idealistically we could all throw off this tyrannical mess and start everything again as fresh. But, realistically how long would normal men and women, live without govt? See this is why Benjamin Franklin said: we gave you a republic if you can hold onto it. A republic is free men and women doing whatever in their own lives without govt. But, before the ink was dry on the paper, here comes the bill of rights. Why? people want freedom, but not really!
    I tend to be more realistic. We have a terrible system and the more we can teach others to live, free, within this mess, the freer they will be. I do not look for the masses to throw off the system: the fear, the unknown, the uncertainty gets the best of them. Rog, we can't even get people to do Anna's paperwork, how do we get them to throw off the system. HUMAN NATURE IS PEOPLE WOULD RATHER SUFFER-TREMENDOUSLY THAN TO THROW OFF THE ONES WHO ARE CAUSING THEM TO SUFFER.
    FROM THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE: When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.

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    1. PS. ROG about title 18, I am taking a SC government official to task right now about a letter, that has of 20 fraud deficiences, that include treason and sedition. But, title 18 is still the system, still man's laws.

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    2. PS. Again, love Karl Lentz and he is absolutely right, statutory law does not apply to NATURAL MAN (INDIVIDUAL-PERSONA GRATA) unless by willing consent that NATURAL INDIVIDUAL (MAN OR WOMAN) waives their rights. Now, the waiving thing...is where this conversation can get incredibly deep, because that is where most people exist right now, is in the waived rights! Most people live their entire lives within the WAIVED rights!

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  20. C. I appreciate your response. I will take issue with you on one thing and then move on. You talk of persona grata, one who is acceptable or welcome to...a foreign government, the "person" they recognize. I get the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, you consider this to be the body separate from the "living soul," am I on the right track here?

    I don't argue this point, I just disagree. Soul+body of homo sapiens sapiens=living soul=Man (all creations of God). It was to Man that God gave dominion over the earth, not some disembodied soul. This view separates Man from Person and does not confer personhood upon the body as some sort of birthright; which kinda changes things a bit. The concept of person can then be thrown out like last year's Halloween mask.

    Ok, You are right people are sheep. Why not lead them into freedom? If there is one thing Man is good at, it's adapting to new circumstances.

    Yes, I'm idealistic. Would we have our cars if someone hadn't thought, hey, maybe I can harness this explosive stuff, gas, and put it to work?

    Idealism is the last refuge of the cornered, which refers to Abby's question about enforcement. I'm not sure how to enforce this stuff without violence if the owners decide they have had enough of our meddling except to replace it. They are certainly not above genocide if the slaves protest too much. I am seeing evidence that this is exactly what is going on is some courts. Things like bailiffs tearing up paperwork because they don't like the way a Man signed it, V.C., without prejudice, na, etc. thereby forcing them to go with the program OR ELSE! We can go after them using the code, but then, well you get the picture.

    The system is Satanic. Those who defend stuff like the "Public Trust" and our "duty" to reduce the debt are little more than snowflake socialists. I don't approve of the public trust anymore than I believe I have some duty to pay the debts of a gang of criminals. The system is SO evil and SO over burdened its demise is all but assured. I believe most people can only tolerate so much evil and quickly tire of it. We are seeing rumblings of this in the number of whistle blowers and such coming out of the woodwork.

    Side topic. I believe Mandel House was relaying policy to Wilson in the famous bit about the ancient system of pledges because it appears in a letter between bankers here and the Rothschild brothers in England some 60 or 70 years earlier almost word for word. To believe this system was set up for our benefit is in conflict with the stated policy.

    We are stuck in a situation where evil has tipped the seesaw so heavily to one side that nature will demand balance. One thing I've noticed about nature, she doesn't F#&% around! She is a drama queen, she likes a good show. I think the best we can do is be ready with a new plan when she wraps up the story in the last scene. And by the way, I'm no longer an anarchist , accepting human nature for what it is, rather some other form of governance based wholly on negative, natural law.

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  21. Rog, you are right about what I said. But, understand what I said has nothing to do with the way you and or I would see things. We are not the ones who set the entire madness of the system up. We don't think, behave, believe, act like the mad MAGICIANS that set the entire thing up. See this is why it is so hard for people who don't think like mad MAGICIANS to get what is actually occurring. You have to be able to leave normal thinking of men and women and somehow begin to see what is, instead of what is not. What I have been sharing with you is what is...within the system. It truly is just like the movie the matrix. What is....is very difficult for normal men and women to see, because normal men and women are not pychopaths who believe and practice the ancient egyptian religions. I agree the system is evil...because it was definitely created by satan worshippers. (THAT IS HARD FOR NORMAL PEOPLE TO SEE, TOO.) So what I am hopefully helping you to understand is this: I am not disputing what you are posting...I totally agree...but you must go deeper. What you see and post is part of it, but there is more. Don't give up what you already have, just add to it. Add what I am saying, because this thing is mega and you need to see it all. Its just like in the matrix, NEO in the beginning was seeing it, but he wasn't seeing it all. It took the entire movie for him to see it all. Idealistically for the system to be gone would be great...but realistically, most people (who don't see the truth) would protect the system and lock you up as the madman. Most people still believe by voting for the same pycho's they are going to be able to change the system. The system is bought and paid for well above the punks who get elected. However the system is a pyramid (egypt again) and what happens if the individual stones in the bottom of the pyramid begin to move and say to themselves, I don't want to be a stone in this pyramid anymore, because this pyramid is corrupt? What do you think will happen to the top stones? Here's something:'TO THE PEOPLE IN MYSTERY BABYLON....COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE AND BE NOT A PARTAKER OF HER PLAGUES (THE PLAGUES SHE CAUSES MANKIND) AND GIVE HER DOUBLE FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE! I am beginning to see stones at the bottom of the pyramid are moving, one over here and one over there and cracks are taking place, lets keep helping the stones, understand how to cause cracks!And lets be louder and more aggressive about it that paid shills like UCADIA/UNKNOWN (who is the same person by the way). Teach...teach...teach...Teach! Wake up the stones at the bottom of the pyramid. What do you think, would happen if the next time they held and election, the voting booths were 100% empty? No guns, no wars, no fight, no nothing! Just empty voting booths?

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    1. Rog Ps. I don't know if you follow Christ, but here's the thing: BE WISE AS SERPENTS, BUT GENTLE AS DOVES. We need to be smart: which allows us to be idealistic and realistic. But, let's not leave out wisdom as part of the mix.

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  22. C. The foundation is rotten. It's just a matter of time.

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  23. Yes my DD214 created an additional 'Cestui que'

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