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Tuesday, February 5, 2019

No Such Thing As An American "Constitutional Citizen"


By Anna Von Reitz

I just got off the phone after a long and boring argument with a man who thinks there is such a thing as "Constitutional Citizenship" that applies to Joe Average American. 

I am here to tell you that is nonsense. 

There are two kinds of "Federal Citizenship" created under the Constitutions -- Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, and Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3 --- but both of these "federal citizenship" statuses created by the Constitution(s) are foreign to Joe Average and if either one is accepted, they deprive him of his natural option, which is State Citizenship --- assuming that he wants to serve his actual government in some capacity.  

There is also a third "Federal" citizenship status implied by the Constitutions -- Municipal United States Citizenship is logically allowed under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 --- you could, in theory, agree to accept Municipal Citizenship and function as a slave.  

Joe Average American assumes that they are talking about his "United States" throughout the Federal Code -- but they are not.  They are talking about their version of "United States". 

Joe Average American also thinks that they are talking about his citizenship --- in citations like 8 USC 1101 (a) (21)  and 8 USC 1401---  and but they are not.  

They are not thinking about Joe Average American or referencing his citizenship in any part of the Federal Code.  He's not a "federal" entity.  His employees have nothing to say about his citizenship.  

Nothing at all about Joe Average American was created by The Constitution(s) in any form.   

So it does Joe no good to try to call himself a "Constitutional Citizen" as a means to explain his political status, because his actual political status as either a State National or as a State Citizen pre-dates and exists apart from any Constitution whatsoever. 

Joe Average American's option to serve his soil jurisdiction state government as a "citizen" began in July of 1776 and his option to serve his Land Jurisdiction State as a "Citizen" began in September of 1776 and his option to serve his Sea Jurisdiction Federal State of State as a "Citizen" began in March of 1781 ---- all long before any of the Constitutions were adopted. 

Joe Average American's citizenship, to the extent that he chooses to voluntarily serve his government as a "citizen" of any kind, is explicitly non-Constitutional, because his government and his citizenship with respect to his government was neither created by nor defined by any Federal, Territorial or Municipal Constitution.  

Joe Average American's citizenship, to the extent he accepts a duty to serve his government at any level, exists in a foreign jurisdiction, too.  

Joe Average American's government serves the land and soil jurisdiction of this country, and to the extent that he serves his government as a citizen, he serves the land and soil jurisdiction, not the watery domain of the Federal Government. 

Poor old Joe is trying to make the point that he is owed the Constitutional Guarantees as one of the People of this country,  but by calling himself a "Constitutional Citizen", that is, Federal Citizen, he is unwittingly admitting that he is owed no such guarantees at all.  

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25 comments:

  1. Carrying forward from previous pokes and jabs - - Anonymous, whichever one of the several that you are - - so you say that Abby is lost? Tell us all just what is it that constitutes ''lost''?

    You see, from now on whenever an accusation is made toward me, I am going to come right back at you, and demand that you explain your accusations.

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  2. And Anna, Paul, and miscellaneous others, I am well aware of what is going on, that jackasses long ago decided to play the Word Game and slap labels where ever they were beneficial to ''them'' And I am simply saying that I am not going to play along. I am not all that concerned about whatever 'consequences'' you think are at hand. I just have different ways of handling things, and choose not to participate but I too keep my best cards close to the vest.

    But ignorant? Hardly.

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    1. Abby,
      There are ways to respond without being so hateful, many on the other side (some can and yet they still reveal themselves) will not be able to do this, yet with the Holy Spirit's guidance we should strive for this.
      Yes i know about righteous anger, yet name calling and tantrums, & loud unsubstantiated accusations do not reflect well upon us nor the Set apart assembly.
      Many of those who are accusing and poking are doing their best to infuriate. Do not fall for it. We were warned of these things also.
      We are to be examples. i often wonder if we behave like this online, how do we appear in the real world? i do know, i can always use improvement.

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    2. aFollower, like Paul the Apostle once said ''have I now become your enemy because I tell you the Truth''? And didn't Jesus tell us that ''they hated Me before they hated you''? So in other words, if we tell the truth, we should just expect to be hated, and thats just fine with me. Why would we even want to be loved by the world, anyhow? So if you are suggesting to me that I should make some effort to be ''loved by the world'', why would I even want to be loved by the world?
      Not that I try to get hated just cause the bible says we will be - - but it still stands that ''we will be hated for His Namesake'' no matter what we do. I already know that most people are of the world, and they try to show their disdain JUST TO try to get us to shut up about God.

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  3. Paul, a good many years back, I had a cousin whose daughter had just graduated from high school, just 18, and she was killed instantly in a horrible car accident.

    Her funeral was held at the greek orthodox church where they attended. I attended that funeral, and I heard their ''hail mary, full of grace, hear our prayer'' during that service.

    So note this was a GOC not RCC but they still pray to mary, which is not christian in any sense of the Word. It is the same thing Ive heard in the RCC when I was there for another occasion. There was not one bit of difference between the two. This is why I still maintain that no catholic church is a christian church. No christian prays to Mary.

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    1. You obviously have never read what the Catholic Church has had to say about devotion to the Blessed Mother of our Lord.
      Instead you read lies and spout them as truth. Millions of Christians have prayed to Mary for her help for many centuries so I submit you need further study to arrive at the truth on that one.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07110b.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15459a.htm

      http://www.calefactory.org/misc-pray-rosary.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08070a.htm

      http://www.calefactory.org/misc-mary-motherofgod.htm

      http://www.calefactory.org/pix/slideshow-mary/index.htm

      http://www.calefactory.org/pix/slideshow-rosary/index.htm

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    2. Paul, Mary is not the mother of our Lord nor the mother of God by this implication, as the RCC claims. As a woman she was the mother of Jesus, the son of man, as a man. Mary was not immaculate (w/o sin) as RCC claims. Mary herself called Jesus her Lord and her savior by which she confessed that she was sinful and needed a savior just like any other man or woman. “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” Luke 1:47 Yes, absolutely she was special and blessed among women in the fact that the Father specially selected her and that she was a willing vessel. No argument there! But she was not and is not God and not the mother of God nor any deity to be venerated or prayed to or worshiped which is a direct violation of the 1st and 2nd commandments. She was also not a perpetual virgin as RCC claims since she had several more children after Jesus. Joseph did not "know" her until she had given birth to Jesus which proves that he did "know" her after Jesus birth. "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Matt 1:25 The gospels clearly state that Jesus had brothers and sisters. The apostle James in one of them. "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother." Galatians 1:19 There is no scripture to prove the RCC claim that she ascended into heaven which is just a fairy tale w/o any scriptural substantiation. If Mary could speak today, as the true handmaiden of the Lord that she was and still is, she would chastise the RCC for making such false claims about her and utterly rebuke the worship, veneration and idolization of her as condoned by the RCC which is nothing more than replacing of the worship of Isis or other so called virgin pagan idol deities with Mariolatry which is idolatry. She would with Paul and Barnabus rent her clothes and say: "Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein" Acts 14:15 Jesus even rebuked her openly and publicly in Matthew 12:46-50 and Mark 3:31-35 and would not acknowledge her attempts to get his attention to try to bring Him to his senses when they thought He had lost his mind. "Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit." Mark 3:30. As such He did not honor His mother because His mother's intent was contrary to the will of God as He so stated here: "For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." Mark 3:35

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    3. 1FreeMan Where do I start. Are you willing to actually see what the Church has taught about Mary for Centuries? If you are not ready to study what I send you, what is the use of me going to the effort.

      Immaculate Conception

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

      On the Sanctification of Mary

      http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4027.htm

      The Blessed Virgin Mary

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

      The Virginity of the Mother of God.

      http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4028.htm

      Pius IX Ineffabilis Deus (Ineffable God)

      http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi09id.htm

      Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15459a.htm

      Catholics have NEVER worshipped Mary as if she were a God!

      She i, however, the Mother of Jesus Christ, who is God, the second person of the Blessed Trinity, the Word of God made man (incarnate), therefore in that respect she is definitely the Mother of God.


      The Expousals of the Mother of God

      http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4029.htm

      He had no brothers and sisters as your private interpretation of scripture indicates. Mary was and is a perpetual virgin.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02767a.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm

      What is getting you in trouble is your belief that if it isn't in the Bible it's not a rule of Faith. You seem to think that the Bible is the sole rule of Faith. That is a very old heresy.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05766b.htm

      You have swallowed a lot of protestant lies about what Catholics actually believe, and you are missing a lot of history of Christ's true Church.

      Marriage at Cana, no rebuke.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03226a.htm

      What Catholics believe about Mary is exactly true, and what you believe about her is sadly lacking in her actual dignity bestowed on her by her Divine Son, Our Lord. To please Jesus, we should give her the actual honor He wants her to have.

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    4. And finally, you need to realize that without the Church teaching it, the Bible can not be properly understood. The proof is that protestants can't agree on what it means and continuously fight about what it means, and that is the reason there are so many protestant sects out there.

      Bible as the sole rule of Faith

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15006b.htm

      http://www.calefactory.org/tea-churchorthebible.htm

      http://www.calefactory.org/tea-onetruechurch.htm

      This is just a small sample of the long history of Church teaching on these and many other subjects of 20 centuries.

      But don't look for this in Rome.

      http://www.calefactory.org/

      https://novusordowatch.org/start-here/

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    5. Paul, Mary who birthed Jesus as a man, is dead now. She cannot hear any prayers, and she cannot answer any prayers. And she cannot help anyone. Mary was absolutely not made any different than any of our mothers who have also died.
      To pray to mary is just about as unchristian as anything can get. The bible is quite clear, as Jesus told us that he was going to be depart, but he left directives that ''from now on you will pray TO My Father, and what you ask IN MY Name, my Father in heaven will do it''.
      That is how christians pray, to the Father In the Name of Jesus. There is no other. Why do you catholics pray to a dead woman, when the bible is also clear not to pray to the dead?

      Lastly, Paul you are totally wrong in saying that 'we should only be taught by ''The Church'' - - and of course you still think the catholic church organization is 'the church'' when Ive clearly shown in here exactly what God says The Church is; the People who are true believers, not catholics, and not any church - - when The Truth is that 'The Holy Spirit is the true Teacher' - as scripture tells us clearly that ''the Holy Spirit will teach you ALL that you need to know''.

      Now Paul, you are free to continue to ignore the various admonishments given to you in here - but you wont be able to say you didnt know these corrections.
      But at least - stop trying to indoctrinate me into your 'catholic beliefs' which I deem totally wrong. I am on the right track and its sad to me that you insist on remaining in your lifelong catholic belief just because your family believed it. Two wrongs do not equal right.

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    6. Wow, you still need to do a lot of study. Read the links above. I read your stuff, but you don't evidently read mine.

      Mary is very much alive and well and in Heaven with her Divine Son, our Lord and Saviour, BODY AND SOUL.

      http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4027.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0832.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

      http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12ac.htm

      You are missing out on a lot Abby.

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  4. Paul StramerFebruary 5, 2019 at 2:03 PM
    Says Who?? Where did any pope get jurisdiction of the Air??

    Papal Authority given by Christ Himself.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm

    a followerFebruary 5, 2019 at 5:49 PM
    Alive with Christ
    1As for you, you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3At one time we all lived among them, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.…
    Who is it that currently has "jurisdiction" (Power of the air?)

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  5. The division is caused by the stumbling stones that we were and have been warned about.
    Ask and you shall see the separation here: The Living Stone
    …7To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” 8and, “A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the message— and to this they were appointed. 9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.…
    Now who are the builders, and who are the ones who' know' the True temple is and can be within each and every one of us, as described in Hebrews and in many places throughout the Bible.Jesus Cleanses the Temple
    …20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” 21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. 22After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.…
    Berean Study Bible · Download
    Cross References
    1 Corinthians 6:19
    Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
    John 2:22
    After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
    John 1:14
    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    Colossians 1:19
    For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
    Colossians 2:9
    For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
    temple.
    1 Corinthians 3:16
    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    1 Corinthians 6:19
    What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
    2 Corinthians 6:16
    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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    1. To sum it up "MARY" ain't it nor should be.
      She was fulfillment in being the mere human vessel that the only true Holy life was to come thru into our fallen human world as one of us and it is only He in who He was + what He did that matters = Luther got that in spades + proclaimed it to an enslaved world under @ geo-political stranglehold.
      AMERICA is a direct spinoff from that via the Pilgrims + Puritans trying to flee such tyranny.
      Sorry to offend anyone with the truth= the Pope better be Saved but seems quite unlikely given what get said + esp by whats not said by him...

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    2. See the dignity that Christ gives to Mary as above.

      Be careful what you say about the Mother of God.

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    3. Paul, dignity is one thing, and nobody here had not given her her proper honor. But have you ever realized that after that day at the Cross, it was only a matter of a few days, and she was never again mentioned anywhere in the bible? Have you ever realized that IF she was of importance to the Gospel, then why is it nobody knows when she died nor where she was buried?
      In otherwords, the fact of her pointed absence from all scripture then, tells us that she is NOT to be included in any way in the salvation message, or the teachings of the Gospel.

      We are supposed to look at what is NOT being said, and to what is noticeably absent, as part of what IS an intricate part of the Gospel, as well as what IS said. So this tells us that God does not want Mary being a part of the Gospel, or of salvation itself.

      And did you take notice of how Jesus spoke of Mary that day as he hung on the cross? He referred to her as ''woman'' not mother. That is quite significant as the Holy Spirit points that out, as it is Jesus telling us that she is to be understood as being a ''mere'' woman, and to not idolize her as a diety. But to view her as just a woman.

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    4. You continue to detract from the proper dignity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, and I would NOT want to trade places with you on judgment day for that one.

      This is again where you are missing on most of the history, and especially what Christ Himself has taught by His Church for 20 centuries.

      http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701119.htm

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  6. Citizenship is a hard nut to crack with Americans. It implies a place in the polity as a member of a privileged group. From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

    Citizenship, relationship between an individual and a state to which the individual owes allegiance and in turn is entitled to its protection. Citizenship implies the status of freedom with accompanying responsibilities. Citizens have certain rights, duties, and responsibilities that are denied or only partially extended to aliens and other noncitizens residing in a country. In general, full political rights, including the right to vote and to hold public office, are predicated upon citizenship. The usual responsibilities of citizenship are allegiance, taxation, and military service.

    Sadly, most people are very much like herd animals. They prefer the perceived safety of the warm, moist smell of the herd circled by the dogs of government to keep them safe. They foolishly believe that by pledging allegiance, and submitting themselves, to the will of the shepherd that this will assure their well being in a world of wolves.

    But, their subservience comes at a price, as the definition above makes clear-duties and "responsibilities," -read compulsive action. Positive law is the field in which the citizen grazes. Most are willing to pay this price for the perceived benefits citizenship offers.

    Benefits, benefits. We do like those benefits!

    But this turns the relationship to government on its head, something of which governments have long approved. Instead of the people as creators of governments and above it, it offers citizenship as a way to garner government protection. But that role was already baked into the cake. And who is the baker? The people. We created government to perform certain duties that we, as a people, deemed too time consuming and, frankly, distasteful, to perform ourselves. We have lives to live and chasing down thieves and wrongdoers takes us away from tending our fields.

    In other words, we created government for the same reason we created automatic forced air furnaces, to "heat the house" without having to take time to feed wood to the stove. The furnace requires maintenance and monitoring and, if designed well, will heat the house without your constant attention. Would you pledge allegiance to Lennox? To Train? in order to reap the benefits of a furnace? Of course not. Then why would you pledge allegiance to government?

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  7. He/She who has "ear to hear"

    God the Creator IS NOT A PERSON, neither are any of us a PERSON. God is SPIRIT not "a spirit", He is not an anthropomorphic. God is not IMMORTAL, He is ETERNAL. Being immortal is being part of the cosmo for being immortal means you had a beginning. Jesus has a God:

    John 20:17
    17 ..., I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    You cannot have a God and be Eternal only the Father is eternal. Jesus is the spokesman for the Creator, the mediator not Mary.

    Benelyon

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  8. I highly suggest everyone read this blog
    1.8 million actors on a world stage
    https://www.blogger.com/profile/16311500960166190901
    http://glory-of-the-olive.blogspot.com/
    And every nation and all the living things on this planet are being set up by the bankers out of Switzerland
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_fed30.htm
    All comments made without prejudice and all rigths reserved

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  9. Abby, for some reason it will not allow me to add a reply to your posting. So I will post it here. You claim that the Holy Spirit is connected at the hip with the believers and that when we leave here during the rapture that He leaves as well. This is not correct for He will be here all through the tribulation and forever (Jn. 14:16 Acts 2:16- 21 Rev. 12:17 with Rev. 19:10; Zech. 12:10- 13:1). Multitudes will be saved by the Holy Spirit during the tribulation, as now (Acts 2:16- 21 12:5, 17; 15:2- 4 20:4- 6).

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    1. 1FreeMan, I am referring to 2 Thess.2 which speaks of the antichrist being revealed, and that he cannot be revealed until the Restrainer is removed, which is the Holy Spirit who is restraining at this time, and up till that time. Especially v. 7 and 8.

      (Many were already saved before they went to await the holy Spirit's arrival in the Upper Room. So that in itself shows us that folks can be saved without the holy Spirit being 'on site''.
      We also know that during the first half of the great Trib. the Two Witnesses will be here again, and will be going about saving certain people. Rev.11)

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  10. Keep up the good work Anna. :) EVERYONE AMERICA IS A CONTINENT! usa a country.... made in usa. Not made in America ... not made in the US or UNITED STATES....the corporation. All in their brainwashing wording. :)

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  11. Re: "Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, and Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3". Both of these stipulate a citizenship of a certain number of years prior to entering the governmental office. The date of "this Constitution" is September 17th, 1787. The federal government began operating in 1789. This implies that the requirement for citizenship had to have been other than whatever the "Constitution" may have created.

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    1. From Anna:

      It did-- and it relates to the administration of the original Confederacy of States of States begun March 1, 1781.

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