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Saturday, March 5, 2011

Death Penalty should be abolished! Courts not to be trusted.

More people are weighing in on this death penalty issue than I expected so here is a comment from

Elias Alias of Oathkeepers.


I will offer my initial thoughts on this.

I've got to agree with you. I'm seeing the same abuses of the legal system, and innocent people being released after new DNA evidence, sometimes after years of incarceration. That's bad enough, but now we have a President who insists he has a right to assassinate Americans whom he names on a secret list, without a trial or any sign of due process. As the liberty movement seeks a truer adhesion to the Constitution in political practice, the liberty movement naturally is drawn into the crosshairs of government "COG" (continuity of government) programs, (which include DHS incursions) and we now know that some government perspectives are fed into government policy through the private sector think tanks at the ADL and SPLC - which means that in the foreseeable future we might expect to all be targets, accused of death-penalty "crimes" simply because of our beliefs regarding the Constitution.

That one consideration right there is enough to cause me to wish to see the people themselves forever ban the government, any government, from having the power of life-or-death over a human being. I think this is a 'plank' which conservative constitutionalists might want to reconsider, given present circumstances. Granting the state the power to take a person's life may be said to be tantamount to blasphemy, as it seeks to share a power which properly belongs only to God or Nature's God.


On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stramer at wrote:

Be careful. I can not support the death penalty considering our corrupt judicial system as we know it today.

In previous times I would have supported the death penalty without question for capital crimes, but now the courts, prosecutors, police and other government agents are so corrupt and the system is so far away from actual justice being served most of the time that it might result in innocent people dying because of trumped up charges and over zealous and corrupt prosecutions of real American patriots who try their best to be law abiding and only want to be free from the control of satanic laws and government agents.

Remember there are over 60,000 laws on the books in the USA, and how many of them are actually just laws in God's eyes?

I therefore want this bill to pass, and I don't really care what it costs. How many times do we see on television now where DNA testing frees people who have spent much time in jail when in fact they were innocent all along.

Be careful what you wish for. Get a gun and get some training and protect yourself and your family and don't wait for the police or any court to protect you from criminals. If the whole population were armed and the criminals didn't know who was carrying we would have much more deterrent against crime than any death penalty ever could produce.

At some point you might be the target of government. They may want to make a criminal out of you with the stroke of a pen on some unconstitutional anti-gun statute (non-law because of it's unconstitutionality) and technically you will be in violation.

That is where truly informed juries could correct the problem, but sadly we don't have many people who really understand their ability to nullify bad law as a juror. If you don't believe you can vote your conscience in the jury room, you need to study more.

We disagree with Lark about this bill and want it passed!
Paul Stramer

From: Gary Marbut/MSSA/TOS

To: Paul Stramer at ; >> Lark
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Death Penalty in Montana - at risk


I agree with Paul, but for a slightly different reason.

I don't dispute that there are absolute evil scumbags out there who we would be better off without, but think about this:

According to our system of political thought, all political power is inherent in individual people. Montana Constitution, Article II, Section 1. "Popular sovereignty. All political power is vested in and derived from the people."

People surrender some of their individual political power to government so government may do for us collectively what people cannot do well alone. However, government can legitimately have no power other than that surrendered to it by individuals.

Individuals have the morel authority to take other life only in legitimate defense of self and others. Individuals do not have the authority to take other life in vengeance, for prophylaxis, as a deterrent, or in settlement of debt.

Since people do not have this authority, they cannot surrender it to government. Therefore, government cannot legitimately have the power to apply a death sentence, no matter how much some individuals may appear to deserve it.

It is very bad - VERY BAD - to allow government to assume powers it cannot legitimately have.

I'm with Paul that the person who needs to administer the death penalty is the would-be victim.

Gary Marbut, president

Montana Shooting Sports Association
Author, Gun Laws of MOntana

We disagree with Lark about this bill and want it passed!

Paul Stramer

----- Original Message -----

From: Lark
To: 'ME'
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:17 PM
Subject: Death Penalty in Montana - at risk

Bill Type - Number: SB 185
Action: (H) Hearing
Date: 03/15/2011
Hearing Room: 137
Hearing Time: 8:00 AM
Committee: (H) Judiciary

Capitol Switchboard - 406-444-4800 – [leave message for the House Judiciary Committee]
OPPOSE - SB 185 - Abolish death penalty and replace with life in prison w/o parole
Or email web form - - [to the House Judiciary Committee]

Lark Chadwick
PO Box 1867
Tompson Falls, MT 59873
State Sovereignty
Limited Government
Local Control


  1. Thanks, Paul.
    I must once again salute Gary Marbut for cutting edge knowledge of constitutional truth. His is an outstanding essay.


  2. Thank you for posting this. Please share with legislators, as I think many of them are not on the same page.


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